FireChans Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, Augie said: For a chance to get 10 games out of a guy who’s not currently playing? They draft pretty darn well, I don’t want to give up picks without good value just to TRY to fill an immediate need. He’s an injured 31 year old WR at the end of his contract who was also hurt last year. Am I missing something? I think he has the year after next under contract too. The Pats have a history of “overpaying” in trades and sometimes you think, “maybe this is Brady’s last year.” Unfortunately, that hasn’t been the case. 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah but this seems way off normal value........a second round pick for Sanu is batshit crazy, IMO. I'm generally in on underrated, versatile players but I just think there is a lot more style than substance there with Sanu. He was in an ideal situation in Atlanta getting matchups against nickel and dime coverage for years. He's like a 600 yard receiver on most teams. He's an upgrade for New England but that's a guy you should be able to get for a 4th or 5th. We can only hope that the Falcons just wouldn't trade him to NE for anything less. BB covets strange players for whatever reason. I agree though.
Augie Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think he has the year after next under contract too. The Pats have a history of “overpaying” in trades and sometimes you think, “maybe this is Brady’s last year.” Unfortunately, that hasn’t been the case. Spotrac has him as an UFA in 2020. But yes!!! Maybe THIS is the last year for Brady! https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/a.j.-green-7719/ YOWZA! He’s made almost $90 million so far, and he’s not done yet. . Edited October 22, 2019 by Augie 1
GG Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Do you see Allen progressing to the point where he'll be the guy to find those receivers? It’s still an open question, but there are enough green shoots to be optimistic for the next summer of recovery. i thought that All-22 of his first half would be awful, but it wasn’t all that bad. You have to recognize that Bills drafted a physically gifted QB with horrible fundamentals, and it will take a while to correct all flaws. The game tape doesn’t lie and there are open receivers all over the place, but Allen is still too timid to trust the NFL throws. For me the progress has been in seeing him move past the first read. He’s been doing that a lot more this year, but he’s still not pulling the trigger on those throws and still bails to the run too soon. I don’t see an Emanuel Sanders fixing Allen’s issues, because we already have Brown, McKenzie & “Foster”. Why waste a draft pick on a redundant asset when your QB doesn’t make those throws on a regular basis?
ganesh Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, DasNootz said: Market for green is getting smaller but more desperate - Bills, Indy and who? I think we need to see what Kroft can do before we make any moves. Kroft and Knox bring size match up issues. Can Daboll exploit by putting both of them on the field. 1
FireChans Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, GG said: It’s still an open question, but there are enough green shoots to be optimistic for the next summer of recovery. i thought that All-22 of his first half would be awful, but it wasn’t all that bad. You have to recognize that Bills drafted a physically gifted QB with horrible fundamentals, and it will take a while to correct all flaws. The game tape doesn’t lie and there are open receivers all over the place, but Allen is still too timid to trust the NFL throws. For me the progress has been in seeing him move past the first read. He’s been doing that a lot more this year, but he’s still not pulling the trigger on those throws and still bails to the run too soon. I don’t see an Emanuel Sanders fixing Allen’s issues, because we already have Brown, McKenzie & “Foster”. Why waste a draft pick on a redundant asset when your QB doesn’t make those throws on a regular basis? The hope would be that Sanders would be another threat for NFL defenses to account for and to get those tight windows to be open windows. I get what you’re saying though. 1
ganesh Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Opinion time, does AJ Green put us over the top playoff wise? As good as he is I don’t think he alone does it, would he improve the team? Yes, but by how much?? Go Bills!!! He has to first get on the field. 2
Nextmanup Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: Beane is not going to make a panic move. IF the right move is there, he will consider it and maybe take it. They have been very clear about their intention to build for the long haul. A top WR would be great of course, but I would not be surprised or upset if they don't make a move at all. You're on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from me. This season is highly unusual and wide open. In the era of free agency, the cap, constant player movement, you don't need to do things in 5 year plans anymore. If we can improve the team at a critical position, I would totally do it. I'm not talking about "panic" though. That's your word and not really relevant to the situation anyway. A measured move to win "now" instead of down the road need not be the product of panic.
Augie Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ganesh said: He has to first get on the field. And what are 10 games worth to you? That’s a big deal. Ten games? Not much value in that, I’d rather keep high picks and keep building with inexpensive guys who will be here for years. How about this: We give them a 6th and a 7th from the Pats* oversupply? They’ll never miss them! ? . Edited October 22, 2019 by Augie
GG Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: The hope would be that Sanders would be another threat for NFL defenses to account for and to get those tight windows to be open windows. I get what you’re saying though. It’s not even the tight windows now. The WRs are open, but not fully open. That’s why I keep harping on Allen’s toss to Duke in 3Q. I think it was the best throw in his NFL career, and hopefully more like that will come. 1
BobbyC81 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said: Come on Buffalo Aj Green Why do you want an injured player who hasn’t played yet this season? 1
Aussie Joe Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, Augie said: For a chance to get 10 games out of a guy who’s not currently playing? They draft pretty darn well, I don’t want to give up picks without good value just to TRY to fill an immediate need. He’s an injured 31 year old WR at the end of his contract who was also hurt last year. Am I missing something? Oh I'm with you... I wouldn't do it for Green based on where he is at injury wise... Some people though seem to think that they have to do something before the trade deadline... even a high risk move like this one which I don't get... 1
Augie Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: It’s not even the tight windows now. The WRs are open, but not fully open. That’s why I keep harping on Allen’s toss to Duke in 3Q. I think it was the best throw in his NFL career, and hopefully more like that will come. I think I referenced that yesterday as the best throw of his career, but thought it was Knox. You’re right, I believe. That’s the one where he dropped it into the bucket to Duke. THAT throw stood out and I found it VERY encouraging! We all know he has a huge arm, seeing that touch was great.
Yav Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Sanders and a 5th round pick to the 49ers for a 3rd and 4th. Thats a damn good deal for the 49ers.
One Buffalo Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: You're on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from me. This season is highly unusual and wide open. In the era of free agency, the cap, constant player movement, you don't need to do things in 5 year plans anymore. If we can improve the team at a critical position, I would totally do it. I'm not talking about "panic" though. That's your word and not really relevant to the situation anyway. A measured move to win "now" instead of down the road need not be the product of panic. I am actually more with you than it might appear. All I am saying is that I expect they are shopping but are not going to act out of desperation. If the sticker price is too high then I don't expect them to make a move just because they "have to".
FireChans Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Oh I'm with you... I wouldn't do it for Green based on where he is at injury wise... Some people though seem to think that they have to do something before the trade deadline... even a high risk move like this one which I don't get... Kelvin Benjamin didn’t exactly set us back a decade, you know? I think we are overstating the risk. 1
Teddy KGB Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Augie said: They draft pretty darn well, I don’t want to give up picks Not when it comes to wide receivers I don’t think we have one we drafted on the roster Edited October 22, 2019 by Teddy KGB
LabattBlue Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I don't think Sanders or any other WR on the market is the answer this year. I think fans just have to live with a year of Allen's growing pains, and hope he elevates his game to the next level in 2020. I would target a WR in the early rounds of the draft or F/A in the off-season.
Augie Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Not when it comes to wide receivers I don’t think we have one we drafted on the roster How many have we taken high in the last 2 drafts (with Beane)? Is this a Zay hangover? 1
BADOLBILZ Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, FireChans said: Kelvin Benjamin didn’t exactly set us back a decade, you know? I think we are overstating the risk. And I love the "look how good McBeane have drafted.......we can't trade those picks!" while totally disregarding the fact that one of the reasons that they seem to have drafted well is because they had SO MANY needs that need/bpa were the same thing. It's pretty normal for teams to draft less efficiently as their needs decrease. 2
billsfan89 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: Zero chance they’re looking for tight ends. That’s one of the deepest positions on the whole team. I get none of them are Kelce, Ertz or even Austin Hooper but there’s plenty of talent to make an impact on this team. Got to keep getting Knox and Kroft involved in the pass game to see what we have Kroft has been hurt thus far a non-factor and Knox is super raw. Sweeney I look at as more of a potential high end backup. Lee Smith is more of a niche player. I don't look at the tight end talent and think it is great. I don't think there is a market to find a quality tight end so the point is moot. But I do look at the tight end position and think wow look at all the talent there. Don't get me wrong I love Knox's potential and Sweeney can be a good role player but those guys aren't ready to be starters just yet. I don't look at the position as a deep position as the quality isn't there.
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