John from Riverside Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 - I really wish they would stop getting cute with these Josh Allen designed runs.....we do have guys that can run the ball. Josh will get plenty of times to run when nothing is open. - McKenzie in the end zone....this is why I dont feel our WR core is yet complete....McKenie is not the guy you want running that route...yes the pass was a bit high....a WR that will climb the ladder with some size that can play MAKES that catch....McKenzie didnt even attempt to get off the ground....McKenzie should be used for things like jet sweeps and backing up on returns. Oliver sighting early...that man is fast We need a better reserve linebacker Poyer is a stud Gore needs to be brought back WHy are ppl saying Josh was not making plays in the first half (but then I see him overthrow Knox) Holding penalties still hurting us Fitz is good early RUN....THE...BALL.....both Gore and Devin owning it on the ground 1st quarter Allen is moving the ball right down the field on passes....especially to Brown Come on Knox....gotta catch those...makes the highlight catch and drops the easy one. ...that is a TD there two I hear boos on a Allen sack....I am wondering if those ppl would have been more upset with a Allen interception? That is how those usually happen. I dont care what anyone says....Edmunds is a stud. He got blocked out of some plays today...he also makes it really hard to drop passes into buckets over the middle....and nice job on a snuffing out a screen here Come on Bease.....hang onto the ball Josh is actually been pretty accurate this half Too...many....penalties Not understanding the boos on 3rd and 19 with a run play......how many plays are there for 3rd and 19? That is HOW THE BALL GETS PICKED 2nd half TE for Miami making Dawson Knox type catches Obvious push off by Devante Parker Fitz gets drilled on a sack....promptly throws the int to White on the next play (meanwhile...it seems like Miami held onto the ball forever on that drive) Then Josh Allen and company go to work....perfect drive from Allen and resulting in a TD to Brown on a lazer Josh converts the two then throws me the football in California (can I have it autographed Josh?) Bills get the ball back....Brown is a stud I really hope these deep shots by Josh start connecting.....guys ARE open Turnovers are nice McKenzie doing what he does well.....lets keep him doing that role 2nd TD by Josh Allen...playing well in the 2nd half....but honestly....he didnt play that badly in the 1st half Up by 10 with 6 minutes left to go Miami's TE is pretty good Not happy with the play calling here.....Miami is totally playing run trying to get the ball back....Buffalo obliges and has to punt Kinda cheap holding call on Edmunds.....happens on every play Fitz with the great play on 4th and 7 I do like that they are sending Medmunds on MLB Blitzes Fitz showing the good Fitz Fitz should have never scored that last TD......Hughes come on man you gotta have that Hyde ices it Bills 5 and 1 - 7 1 3
Warcodered Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I really wish they would stop getting cute with these Josh Allen designed runs.....we do have guys that can run the ball. Josh will get plenty of times to run when nothing is open. This, I mean come on Allen's best runs are all off of scrambles/taking off when he doesn't see anything/sees an opening. Sure Allen's a big strong guy with some speed and he'll get you yards on those but I'd rather they use him as a QB. 2
Rhode Island Red Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: This, I mean come on Allen's best runs are all off of scrambles/taking off when he doesn't see anything/sees an opening. Sure Allen's a big strong guy with some speed and he'll get you yards on those but I'd rather they use him as a QB. Respectfully disagree. Josh is an instinctively good runner, with good eyes for the hole(s) and the chains. Add in crazy good moves/wheels for a stallion, and tough to bring down (want a stiff arm, Kiko?) and we have a weapon that Daboll simply has to show, at least on occasion. Opposing DCs, DLs and LBs therefore must respect the possibility. Helps open things up for the rest of our ground game... imho, of course. Josh is a brute and is making SO much progress right now, on SO many different fronts; he’ll get better and better at avoiding those calamitous hits. These designed runs will likely play a role in whatever success comes our way over the next few years, and be part of his game until very late in his (HOF?) career. Homer I am, through and through:-). Edited October 22, 2019 by Rhode Island Red 2
Shamrock Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Fitz should have never scored that last TD......Hughes come on man you gotta have that When I saw that it reminded me of the Derrick Thomas missed 8th sack that cost Chiefs the win v Seahawks. When asked about his 7 sacks, Derrick was upset about the missed one as it hurt the team.
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. 1
Blokestradamus Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. Nothing wrong with being a size queen. 1 2
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I missed the game, watched the play by play on ESPN Gamecast, seemed like in the 1st half, Bills were moving the ball, but penalties and sounds like a couple of drops stopped all their drives and turned them into field goals.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: WHy are ppl saying Josh was not making plays in the first half (but then I see him overthrow Knox) because ..... ummm ... I got nothing. 50 plus yards in penalties killed those drives. 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. Bigger, stronger, faster doomed Zay right? 1
Stank_Nasty Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 No problems with the designed runs. Extra blocker and if I’m not mistaken they usually do pretty well. He popped one for 10 Sunday and a hold brought it back.
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Bigger, stronger, faster doomed Zay right? I've never accused Zay of lacking size...... I seen him nekkid ? 1
Shaw66 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 John - These running comments are fun. You saw pretty much what I saw. Allen is recovering nicely from the New England debacle. He's still just a second year guy, but he's learning. And as many people have commented, he's a great competitor. Fighting all the time. Leads the league in come from behind wins and fourth quarter wins. I really think that the first half problems were game planning problems, not Allen. 6 1 1
Royale with Cheese Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: Nothing wrong with being a size queen. I'm afraid what I would find in your room. 1
TroutDog Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: John - These running comments are fun. You saw pretty much what I saw. Allen is recovering nicely from the New England debacle. He's still just a second year guy, but he's learning. And as many people have commented, he's a great competitor. Fighting all the time. Leads the league in come from behind wins and fourth quarter wins. I really think that the first half problems were game planning problems, not Allen. It seems as though most want him to be like Mahomes at this stage while not paying attention to reality: he is from a small college program and a JC before that and a small HS before that. He has never had a QB coach until this year and is on the biggest stage in the world. Personally, I love what he’s doing and his progression. For the rest of the year, be mindful with the ball and then look for the next big boost during the offseason. 1
billsfan1959 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: McKenzie in the end zone....this is why I dont feel our WR core is yet complete....McKenie is not the guy you want running that route...yes the pass was a bit high....a WR that will climb the ladder with some size that can play MAKES that catch....McKenzie didnt even attempt to get off the ground....McKenzie should be used for things like jet sweeps and backing up on returns I actually do not blame McKenzie on this play. Allen is rolling out to his right, not really under pressure, and McKenzie comes out of the backfield and is wide open all the way to the endzone. It is a well designed play and you can see McKenzie looking back at Allen from around the 18 yard line on in. I have no idea why Allen was waiting to pull the trigger. If he hits Mckenzie in that range, McKenzie walks into the endzone.
GG Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I actually do not blame McKenzie on this play. Allen is rolling out to his right, not really under pressure, and McKenzie comes out of the backfield and is wide open all the way to the endzone. It is a well designed play and you can see McKenzie looking back at Allen from around the 18 yard line on in. I have no idea why Allen was waiting to pull the trigger. If he hits Mckenzie in that range, McKenzie walks into the endzone. You are correct. That pass is thrown about 1/2 second too late. This is a key step that Allen needs to make in his maturity as a QB. He still doesn't have or trust his instincts to throw receivers open. This was the third play in that opening drive where Allen was looking in the right direction, but didn't pull the trigger to an eventually wide open WR. Hopefully those are throws he learns to make, which is why his big toss to Duke later in the game was so important. 1
MTLBills Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I really hope these deep shots by Josh start connecting.....guys ARE open I had a thought regarding this. Last year he was hitting on a few more than this year (none). I know that his footwork was worked on and cleaned up a bit prior to this season, which has been evident for the most part so far this year. However, could it be that this improved footwork has changed the way his deep ball is traveling? Maybe what is now proper mechanics is causing his ball to travel differently (further) than it did last year? Food for thought... 1
Rubes Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Good stuff, John, I agree with many of the points. Especially: I thought Josh played pretty well the whole game, including the first half. To me, this game was about two things: bad penalties, and the defense being unable to get off the field.
Westside Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, MTLBills said: I had a thought regarding this. Last year he was hitting on a few more than this year (none). I know that his footwork was worked on and cleaned up a bit prior to this season, which has been evident for the most part so far this year. However, could it be that this improved footwork has changed the way his deep ball is traveling? Maybe what is now proper mechanics is causing his ball to travel differently (further) than it did last year? Food for thought... That's an excellent point. Never heard it said before. It could very well be.
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans are obsessed like no other fan base in the league with size at receiver. It is an absolute obsession. 7 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: Nothing wrong with being a size queen. This whole thing really seemed to gain momentum with all of Buddy Nix's talk about wanting to acquire a guy who is "open even when he's not open." Perhaps Chan having coached Calvin Johnson in college also made this a larger focus. But the fact remains not every team can have a BIG JOHNSON type receiver. 1
Buffalo Junction Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said: This whole thing really seemed to gain momentum with all of Buddy Nix's talk about wanting to acquire a guy who is "open even when he's not open." Perhaps Chan having coached Calvin Johnson in college also made this a larger focus. But the fact remains not every team can have a BIG JOHNSON type receiver. At this point I think most fans would settle for a motion of the ocean WR if it results in celebrations. Edited October 22, 2019 by Buffalo Junction
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