CaptnCoke11 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 I’ll say B.. My only concern is I think he’s trying to force Allen into his system instead of designing plays around Allen’s strengths.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 meh + I scratch my head sometimes saying WTF 2
billsfan1959 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 B. He has had some head scratching moments (Still trying to figure out that NE game plan); however, there have been some moments when he feels like an upper echelon OC as well. Overall, the offense is moving the ball and Allen, although he still has a long way to go, has come a long way from a year ago. I think consistency and execution in the opposition's 40 - 20 yard range will result in more points - but, I put that more on the players than Daboll.
colin Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 i put him at C, maybe C+. To me he's a EP version of Roman. ton's of formations, a bit overly complicated. his scheme gets individual plays to execute for good gains, but he lacks a feel for the game or adjusting on the fly to the D. with what Miami and NE did to us, just crowding the line of scrimmage and confusing the qb and protection, i think there are some things he needs to figure out to avoid free blitzers getting a hit, which they do way too much. im usually not someone who thinks you call out a coach for playcalling, because you are limited to what you have practiced and are crisp at, but i do think dabo lacks a feel for the game at times. all of the pre snap penalties make em think the team is under prepared for how complicated the O is (remember smoke said it is the most complicated O he's ever seen? I think that's an issue for us)
CincyBillsFan Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 At minimum a solid B+. When he gets more talent on the offensive side of the ball we can reevaluate. But IMO you're not paying attention if you think Daboll has a lot to work with: * I'm a big Allen supporter and think he will be a top QB in this league. But right now he is inconsistent and Daboll must create game plans that take into account Allen's rawness at this point in his career. * The O-line has been greatly improved but other then Morse at center is there another Bill's offensive lineman that you would rate as being in the top 1/3 of the NFL? * Modern NFL offenses utilize multiple TE's for all sorts of stuff. With Kroft's injury Daboll has only had ONE veteran TE and he's used mostly for blocking. The two TE's that would normally be used in the passing game are raw rookies. In fact one of them only caught FIVE passes his entire college career. This is a HUGE handicap for Daboll. With Krofts return and Knox gaining more experience I expect a lot more production out of this position. * At RB we're as equally limited as we are at TE. Gore is a future HOF war horse but he's not the guy who can take over a game. Yeldon wouldn't make most NFL teams and Singleterry the only RB with a burst of speed is a rookie who has been hurt most of the season. I've said it before show me a weaker overall backfield in the NFL. At best this is a bottom 10 backfield. * At WR the Bills have upgraded the unit from last year and it's no surprise that this is the most productive group of skill players. Brown & Beasley are reliable play makers. The early read on Duke is he may be a decent #3 and McKenzie is a nice Jack of all trades kind of player. But we still don't have a true #1 WR and the drop off from Beasley to the #3 guy has been big. Worse the fastest WR (Foster) has been hampered by injury. While we need to improve overall scoring our offensive production in the Red Zone & in Total Yardage has been top 1/3 of the league. That's good considering our overall offensive talent level. One more point. While our defense has been great this was the FIRST game in which the D forced a TO giving the ball to the O in the opponents red zone. And the O scored a TD off that. Nor have our special teams contributed points outside of FG's. This does impact the scoring stats. Take yesterday where the Ravens offense only scored 1 TD and had 3 FG's for 16 points while their D scored 14 points! 1
Bray Wyatt Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 according to Brown (I think it was him when he came here this year) this is the most complicated offense he has played in, which I think at times leads to our players thinking too much and not just playing free which causes a lot of these penalties. I feel as the season goes on and going into next year that these should decrease (assuming my belief is correct). I would give Dabs a solid B so far this year, we move the ball well, have good red zone efficiency, and Allen seems to be improving (last two games has cut down on the dumb mistakes)
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Grade = B- I like the ingenuity and it's been awhile since we had a pro-style offense. (Chan Gailey). While I like the scheme in general and love the trick plays and jet sweeps, the play-calling seems to be questionable at critical times. Maybe it's execution or the timing, but the lack of any deep threat is a little disturbing with all the speed we have. With all the new faces on offense, it may just be a matter of time before it all gels together. But Daboll just seems to be a little behind the trend. KC can plug and play their WR's and they can strike quick anytime from anywhere. I think we could have a dangerous offense too, but Daboll doesn't seem to find that rhythm it takes calling plays to completely keep a defense off-balance and constantly second guessing themselves as they get gashed down the field. I think we have the O-line and skill talent to do this but we haven't seen it yet. I'm hoping it comes.
msw2112 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 I'd go with a B+. For the first time in years, we are running a real, modern NFL offense. Think of what we saw in the past with Dennison and Hackett - Daboll is a major step up. There is good, but not great talent and he utilizes it pretty well. We rarely go 3 and out, and we are pretty effective in short yardage situations. We rarely come out of the red zone without points. We move the ball effectively, which helps with field position, even when we don't score. The one thing I would eliminate are the designed QB runs early in the game. I am fine with Allen running when a) he's in the pocket and a huge running lane opens up; b) on a broken play where he has space to run; c) running a sneak on short yardage like 3rd or 4th and 1; and d) in the 4th quarter, when the game is on the line. I am not OK with him on a designed running play in the first 3 quarters of the game. First, these runs haven't been any more effective than simply giving the ball to the RB. Second, why expose your QB to injury? It just makes no sense to me. As others have mentioned, if Allen connects on a long ball here or there (which he did more of last year, particularly with Foster), things will look a whole lot better. If Allen overthrows a wide open WR, or a WR drops a pass, that isn't entirely on the OC.
cd1 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 I will have to give him a "we'll C +". I am half thinking that it is Daboll that is letting games get in HIS head. Possibly the motive behind all the "trick type plays". Perhaps a little MORE confidence and he would just try to pound it down their throats. If that does not work THEN resort to smoke and mirrors. IMHO
Mark Vader Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, H2o said: No, I thought I had read it on here somewhere about him moping around at TC and whatnot which seemed to reflect on his playing time. Maybe it was in the Astro Notes segments? I can't remember. You two, you and Joe, are probably correct. I hope he can get healthy and get out there. Speed kills in this league, look at Hardman and Hill together. I think it would open up the entire field even more with two guys who can take the top off of the defense on the field at the same time. It would be great to have Foster back. I want to see if he can build on his game from last year. Injuries suck. 1
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, cd1 said: I will have to give him a "we'll C +". I am half thinking that it is Daboll that is letting games get in HIS head. Possibly the motive behind all the "trick type plays". Perhaps a little MORE confidence and he would just try to pound it down their throats. If that does not work THEN resort to smoke and mirrors. IMHO I agree with this, but think it is a bit deeper problem. Posters seem to think that it is all about "play calling" and "execution" as if each teams plays are exactly as good as every other teams plays. On almost every NFL game I watch, other than Bills games, at least once during the game, the commentators find a play that impresses them enough to draw it up and show how the plays design was the key to the play working. I can't recall one Bills play this year that anyone thought was worth explaining. I don't think Daboll designs good plays. Its hard to overcome poorly designed plays with great play calling and/or execution. We all see a bunch of these plays every game. You can identify them when you are screaming, mumbling or just thinking "WTF was that"
Maine-iac Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Haven't read every post but I have to give Daboll an A. Hands down. He's not perfect but we have a running game. We have a passing game. We consistently have plays that work. We consistently move the ball. We make in game adjustments and you can see in game improvements (big for me). There are plays and sometimes parts of games that don't work but that happens to anyone. The reason we are not scoring more points at the moment are inconsistent QB play (to be expected with a second year QB) and turnovers. Both of these things should continue to improve over the course of the season. There is nothing worse than an OC who has a bad game plan and can't make adjustments after it's obvious nothing is working. Might be my favorite thing about him overall.
frostbitmic Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 C meh ... We could do worse, could do better too. We seem to move the ball decently until we get near the red zone and then the drive breaks down, often with some head scratching calls. Far too often I'm thinking WTF are you calling rather than thinking that was a great call. Josh is big and strong but if he keeps using him as a RB, Josh is going to be on the IR. One play kind of stuck out to me yesterday. Dawkins got flagged for holding, when they showed a replay, Dawkins was indeed holding, not just one but two players at the same time. The reason he had to hold two at once was that there wasn't anyone to help him block his guy and the other guy as Spain was pulling right. I don't think we have to worry about another team coming in and hiring him to be their HC.
Chill Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 B Dabs is a genius. He overthinks and it hurts him sometimes. He’s doing a really good job overall.
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I’ll say B.. My only concern is I think he’s trying to force Allen into his system instead of designing plays around Allen’s strengths. Allen's biggest strength is his arm but the Bills are like 0 for how many (I'm guessing 8 or so) deep balls this year. I've noticed a high number of those the WR had a step or more on the defender and most balls have been overthrown. Josh has to start hitting on some of these or Defenses will continue to cheat the safeties up.
Billsfan1972 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Not including the NE game and in their 5W's. Avg. Allowed Scored Miami 36 pts/gm 31 (inlcuding the On side kick). NYJ 26.5 17 Cin 27 21 Tenn 16.33 14 NYG 26.5 28
billsfan89 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 A- easily having a really good season. The offense lacks an elite passing weapon (John Brown is a good WR2 and Beasely a good WR3 but there lacks a true number one receiver) and a decent tightend (Lee Smith is a blocking specialist, Knox is a raw project and Sweeney is more of a backup at this point who is also developing, and Kroft is well hurt.) The running back core is solid but unspectacular and the O-line is good. So overall I consider the talent Daboll has had to work with around Josh and I think he has done a fairly good job. Josh has also developed in several areas too so it is a plus to see positive QB development. I can't say it is without fault but play calls are only as good as the result 80% of the time. I think the offense looks to be well put together and a lot of their issues stem from Josh being a young developing QB and the lack of weapons besides Beasley and Brown.
Augie Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: A. No question. The scheme is dynamic. i think a lot of the shortcomings so far on O have been due to execution. I think to some extent the failure to execute is a matter of needing one more off-season to acquire talent, but they look like an NFL offense at times. I find that surprises me!
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