Rochesterfan Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Allen threw it too soon If he threw to soon - it should have been way in front - not behind the WR. Looked like good rhythm- just two guys with different reads on the play. 1
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 the catch that really mattered 2 1
5 Wide Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Allen also threw it about 90 MPH, not a throw you can lollipop in there, but not everything needs to be a fastball. The Beasley touchdown pass had some mustard on it too, almost went through his hands. Allen had nice touch on the throw to Duke, but he seems to have the adrenaline flowing alot and is ripping fastballs when the situation may not call for it. 3
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: A smarter "WR? Yeah, like Edleman etc.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 The amount of analysis over this one inconsequential play makes me proud to be a Bills fan. ? 1 3
Royale with Cheese Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Yeah, like Edleman etc. In the game where the Bills played the Pats, a play similar to this happened with Brady and Edelman. Edelman didn't even turn his head and the ball was thrown... These things just happen. 1
Utah John Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 The QB and WR have to both understand what the key read is. So, probably part of the problem is that they weren't making the same read. Probably another part of the problem is the defense wasn't just standing around, watching. They react to the play as they're coached to do, probably to confuse either the QB or WR. 1
Pokebball Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, papazoid said: them two are NOT on same page beasley wasnt even looking and the pass missed him badly guessing beasley blew a hot read This is my thought as well. The hot read was missed. But as a few other posters have already said, Josh and Beasley know what should have happened and who didn't make the adjustment. These are the kinds of things that the average poster doesn't consider. It's easy to blame one guy and that one guy is normally the QB. Maybe the blame belongs there, maybe it doesn't. 21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: In the game where the Bills played the Pats, a play similar to this happened with Brady and Edelman. Edelman didn't even turn his head and the ball was thrown... These things just happen. And how long have Brady and Edelman been playing, and how long have they been playing together? They're the epitome of the perfectly fitting hand and glove. That relationship takes a few years to build.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Shows that the two arent in as much sync. Im no Allen apologist but a smarter WR would have noticed the blitz and looked to Allen sooner. There wasn't a blitz. Phins sent 5, Bills had 1:1 personnel with Kroft in to blocking. It was hat-on-hat except Feliciano and Morse pulled to sell the run, which left Kroft with primary responsibility for a guy, which battle he lost. But Josh had time. 9 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Allen threw it too soon Maybe? It's not clear to me. Maybe he was expecting Bease to make his cut and turn his head earlier. Route miscue. Didn't help us, but also a moot point since we got 15 yds off the play thanks to whatever it was Ford did in the scrum there that induced Wilkins to punch him. 8 hours ago, papazoid said: them two are NOT on same page beasley wasnt even looking and the pass missed him badly guessing beasley blew a hot read Actually from slowing the film, it looks to me as if the pass hit Beasley on the shoulder. Possibly Allen was throwing with a bit too much "zing", but that had to hurt. It wasn't a bad miss, though.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2019 Author Posted October 22, 2019 13 hours ago, 5 Wide said: Allen also threw it about 90 MPH, not a throw you can lollipop in there, but not everything needs to be a fastball. The Beasley touchdown pass had some mustard on it too, almost went through his hands. Allen had nice touch on the throw to Duke, but he seems to have the adrenaline flowing alot and is ripping fastballs when the situation may not call for it. That was my other thought, that Allen had his juices going early in the game and put a bit too much heat on the ball. But I'm not sure, and opinion here also seems divided. 13 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: The amount of analysis over this one inconsequential play makes me proud to be a Bills fan. ? That's sarcasm? Should I apologize for not starting Yet Another Thread about how Allen has yet to throw for 300 yds and 3 TDs or the like? 1
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 A run up the middle with jet action is "cute?" This wasn't the only time they pulled linemen to sell a run fake, they did it a number of times in the game and it generally worked out fine, as it did on this play. Our OL handles it well, not sure what you're getting at there? It was a quick pass and Josh had more than enough time.
billsfan1959 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There wasn't a blitz. Phins sent 5, Bills had 1:1 personnel with Kroft in to blocking. It was hat-on-hat except Feliciano and Morse pulled to sell the run, which left Kroft with primary responsibility for a guy, which battle he lost. But Josh had time. Maybe? It's not clear to me. Maybe he was expecting Bease to make his cut and turn his head earlier. Route miscue. Didn't help us, but also a moot point since we got 15 yds off the play thanks to whatever it was Ford did in the scrum there that induced Wilkins to punch him. Actually from slowing the film, it looks to me as if the pass hit Beasley on the shoulder. Possibly Allen was throwing with a bit too much "zing", but that had to hurt. It wasn't a bad miss, though. Hey Hapless - thought I would add the All 22 to the conversation. It looks as if Allen is going to Beasley from the snap. When he throws, that ball is on Beasley just as he starts to turn his head (:23). It really is hard to tell if Allen expected Beasley to sit on that route or look to Allen sooner - or if it was a bad throw. I tend to go with the former, rather than the latter, only because not only was the pass behind Beasley, but, Beasley wasn't even looking for it yet. So, more of a miscommunication between the two. Like you said, maybe it is one of those plays where you have to be on the team to know exactly wha happened and who was at fault. I like this kind of discussion, though... Edited October 22, 2019 by billsfan1959 1
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's sarcasm? Should I apologize for not starting Yet Another Thread about how Allen has yet to throw for 300 yds and 3 TDs or the like? It was actually a compliment! 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2019 Author Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: It was actually a compliment! oh well then.... apologies and thank you! its partly this Allen inaccurate narrative, I like to look carefully at passed that seem off target to see if I can figure out what’s up
Aireskoi Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Watching the video from the 1st angle it looks like the throw should have been leading Beasley to the middle of the field, away from the defender. The pass ends up the other way, to the outside of the defender...bad pass IMO.
billsfan1959 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: this was a great pass. And therein lies the core of much of the debate on Allen. He can, what appears to many, make a bad throw to Beasley (shown in posts above) - that should be a fairly easy completion - and then make throws like this one. I love the kid and think he is going to just get better and better - becoming that franchise QB this team has been looking for since Kelly. However, I also understand some of the skepticism as well. I also think this pass is where Josh Allen's strength is at - that 18-25 yard range. I would love to see more designed plays to feature / maximize that strength Edited October 22, 2019 by billsfan1959 1
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