DCOrange Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s According to Sports Info Solutions, QBs are injured: Every 236 designed QB runs Every 91.7 scrambles Every 92.5 sacks Every 67.3 knockdowns after throwing Edited October 17, 2019 by DCOrange
Bangarang Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 I’ll just come out and say it. I hate the designed runs for Allen. I think Daboll calls them too much. 6
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: I’ll just come out and say it. I hate the designed runs for Allen. I think Daboll calls them too much. It seems that Allen’s scrambles are far more devastating to defenses, than the designed runs. 4
WhoTom Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 I was surprised that designed runs wasn't higher, but it occurred to me that a QB sneak is technically a designed run. I'd be interested in seeing that category split into sneaks vs other designed runs like QB draws, options in which the QB runs, etc.
Jobot Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I’ll just come out and say it. I hate the designed runs for Allen. I think Daboll calls them too much. Agreed, definitely too frequent. I think 1-2 well designed run-plays per game makes sense, but the goal of the mid-game sneaks play needs to be better defined.. like do we need Allen to pick up 20 yards, or are just trying to keep the defense off balance, make it clear to Allen so he's not getting pounded. Edited October 17, 2019 by Jobot
thenorthremembers Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 How does this compare with injuries to non-running qbs? Is there a big differential?
DCOrange Posted October 17, 2019 Author Posted October 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, WhoTom said: I was surprised that designed runs wasn't higher, but it occurred to me that a QB sneak is technically a designed run. I'd be interested in seeing that category split into sneaks vs other designed runs like QB draws, options in which the QB runs, etc. Yeah I responded to the author on Twitter to see if kneel downs for example are included in the designed runs. I assume QB sneaks are but they're at least getting hit on those so it's defensible. Kneel downs should obviously be filtered out but I'm not sure if they would be or not. 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: How does this compare with injuries to non-running qbs? Is there a big differential? That's the point of the other numbers there. You're far more likely to get hurt getting hit in the pocket than you are on the run. Of course you're less likely to get hurt if you're making the throw without getting hit at all so that needs to be taken into account as well, but I think even if you adjust for the % of plays your QB is kept completely clean in the pocket, you'd still end up arriving at running plays being safer.
jletha Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Im much more worried about the non-designed runs. JA diving for firsts or exposing himself trying to run for a first down. Designed runs have blockers out in front but when Josh free lances is when he takes the biggest hits.
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 55 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I’ll just come out and say it. I hate the designed runs for Allen. I think Daboll calls them too much. 39 minutes ago, Jobot said: Agreed, definitely too frequent. I think 1-2 well designed run-plays per game makes sense, but the goal of the mid-game sneaks play needs to be better defined.. like do we need Allen to pick up 20 yards, or are just trying to keep the defense off balance, make it clear to Allen so he's not getting pounded. He has only 41 runs total so far. How many were planned runs? I bet not more than 2-3 a game. He scrambles a lot and doesn't look for long before he just takes off.
zow2 Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Last year Allen bailed from the pocket early and his athleticism got him several hundred yards. This year the coaches have pounded into him to hang in the pocket and make a read and a throw. This will prolong his career and should force Allen to be a better QB. But I wouldn't mind seeing him bail early on occasion since it was such a huge weapon last season. 1
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Interesting and counter intuitive data, thanks. 1
GunnerBill Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: It seems that Allen’s scrambles are far more devastating to defenses, than the designed runs. They are. 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He has only 41 runs total so far. How many were planned runs? I bet not more than 2-3 a game. He scrambles a lot and doesn't look for long before he just takes off. If you take out sneaks it is 1 or 2 a game maximum. Normally in goalline or 3rd down situations.
Bangarang Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He has only 41 runs total so far. How many were planned runs? I bet not more than 2-3 a game. He scrambles a lot and doesn't look for long before he just takes off. Allen is a stubborn runner and looks to get that extra few yards and in the process can take some pretty brutal hits. I wouldn’t want to put him in a position where he’s getting hit. If Allen can keep being smart and get down or out of bounds without getting then it wouldn’t be a big deal. Until that happens I’ll cringe a little each time he takes off with the ball. Edited October 17, 2019 by Bangarang
Boatdrinks Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, zow2 said: Last year Allen bailed from the pocket early and his athleticism got him several hundred yards. This year the coaches have pounded into him to hang in the pocket and make a read and a throw. This will prolong his career and should force Allen to be a better QB. But I wouldn't mind seeing him bail early on occasion since it was such a huge weapon last season. I agree, those runs he made last year would shorten his career. Defenders will take cheap shots, as we’ve already seen. A guy who is the master of the slide ( and sure seems to have eyes in the back of his helmet) , Russell Wilson, is about the only player that can truly get away with it.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s According to Sports Info Solutions, QBs are injured: Every 236 designed QB runs Every 91.7 scrambles Every 92.5 sacks Every 67.3 knockdowns after throwing So this would imply that the point several have made is correct - that a QB is about 1/3 less likely to be injured on a designed QB run than on a sack or a knockdown He's about as likely to be injured on a sack as on a scramble BUT Does it say anything about the difference between a QB who slides, runs OOB, or "gives himself up" on designed QB runs vs. stiff-arming folks and "running headfirst into human beings"? It seems to me that running style must play into those injury figures
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I’ll just come out and say it. I hate the designed runs for Allen. I think Daboll calls them too much. Agreed! Unless it’s a 4th and 1/goal to go. Why are we allowing the D to get a free hit on the most important player on our team in return for a 4 yard gain?
Jobot Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He has only 41 runs total so far. How many were planned runs? I bet not more than 2-3 a game. He scrambles a lot and doesn't look for long before he just takes off. My criticism of Allen so far this year isn't that he takes off too quickly, but it seems like he goes through his progressions with a sense of greed..by passing up easy dump offs, so by the time he finds his deeper routes to be covered he looks lost and indecisive of whether to run or not. It felt like last year he was much 'safer' when running the ball, because the designed runs as well as his improvised runs had intention.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s According to Sports Info Solutions, QBs are injured: Every 236 designed QB runs Every 91.7 scrambles Every 92.5 sacks Every 67.3 knockdowns after throwing Looks like getting knocked down after throwing is the most dangerous thing. They should stop passing to keep him available Edited October 17, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: They are. If you take out sneaks it is 1 or 2 a game maximum. Normally in goalline or 3rd down situations. exactly 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Allen is a stubborn runner and looks to get that extra few yards and in the process can take some pretty brutal hits. I wouldn’t want to put him in a position where he’s getting hit. If Allen can keep being smart and get down or out of bounds without getting then it wouldn’t be a big deal. Until that happens I’ll cringe a little each time he takes off with the ball. Wilson has been taking those hits for years. Hasn't missed a start.
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