BringBackFergy Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What's the bill going to be on that dinner? Remember... We are mostly "sweater wearers and cooler draggers." I hope the powers that be don't misjudge who their market really is. We got a loyal fan hollering all hell when "surge" pricing for the Cheaters game dinged him 5 extra bucks. CC: @BringBackFergy @mead107 @Cripple Creek BCC: @Gugny I hope I have this "blind carbon copy" thing all figured out... I'd sure hate to screw up and get their name out there. LoL.. Thank you for BCC’ing @Gugny The guy can’t see ***** through those rose colored glasses of his. 1
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not going to argue that, I certainly would prefer the Pegulas and the NFL pay the tab, they can certainly afford it. But we also both know Buffalo wants the Team to stay, it does add value to a city to have such an amenity that can enhance reputations, attract people and businesses, Buffalo is growing again and wants the growth to continue, it would be a huge blow to the city and surrounding communities actual and perceived economic value, which have both suffered over the last many decades, it’s a big picture view for those that make the decisions. It ain’t easy being in that position. it doesn't. 1
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I live in Buffalo and walk the city everyday. From downtown to the west side , east side and in between You don't have to lecture me on the city And the majority of the people in the city don't want a downtown stadium Is that “majority” actual in such a way as it has been officially measured? Or is it what you and your friends perceive? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking a question. And if it is so, what do Buffalonians want done with those currently unused parcels? Again just asking questions to learn.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Is that “majority” actual in such a way as it has been officially measured? Or is it what you and your friends perceive? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking a question. And if it is so, what do Buffalonians want done with those currently unused parcels? Again just asking questions to learn. Buffalo has always been a city of a select, but vocal, urban elite. It's a city that told Henry Ford to get ***** -ed... He then went to Detroit. We are a hard puzzle, people-wise, to figure out.
Cripple Creek Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What's the bill going to be on that dinner? Remember... We are mostly "sweater wearers and cooler draggers." I hope the powers that be don't misjudge who their market really is. We got a loyal fan hollering all hell when "surge" pricing for the Cheaters game dinged him 5 extra bucks. CC: @BringBackFergy @mead107 @Cripple Creek BCC: @Gugny I hope I have this "blind carbon copy" thing all figured out... I'd sure hate to screw up and get their name out there. LoL.. Who the hell wears a sweater to a football game? Are you The Gipper ferchrissakes? 1
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Parking and roadways being redone will cost tens of millions of dollars. I know somebody connected with the state Thruway Authority and it cost millions just to double lane existing exits and entrances at exit 41 for Del Lago Casino. Fire fighting, law enforcement, and utilities have been right sized for Orchard Park in terms of when New Era is hosting a NFL game. All that will have to be replicated if placed elsewhere. How much more property tax do Erie County residents want to pay for the bragging rights of having a new stadium within the Buffalo city limits. Not many I would guess and don't look for Albany Andy to help with state dollars. Then it's on the Pegulas. Who, btw, sold off an extra billion of gas wells when he purchased the team just to have that cash on hand. And they may very well want to bank roll a good portion of it in order to own it and control it. There is a huge opportunity for them if they convert that entire area from Harbor Center/Arena to the Perry Projects into a "Pegula Sports Entertainment" Complex. There will be new buildings connecting the area, with bars and restaurants, and shopping, that they will either own or be the landlord for, or at least get a cut of. Just like how there is a Mall attached to Foxboro. Or like we all just saw in Nashville, how they funnel all game attendees through the Broadway bar strip in order to enter and leave the game. The bars rake in the cash hand over fist. And with that new, roofed stadium also acting like a new Convention Center, theyll be able to draw tourists and traffic to their complex way more than only 8 times a year. Law enforcement is already provided by the same county sheriffs that would be downtown, so they just have to drive down there instead of out to OP. That would be the ultimate plan if they are thinking like successful, big-time Billionaires in the Trillion Dollar NFL. 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Who the hell wears a sweater to a football game? Are you The Gipper ferchrissakes? Sorry... Ooops, you're the guy in the fur coat, right?
Buffalo716 Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Is that “majority” actual in such a way as it has been officially measured? Or is it what you and your friends perceive? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking a question. And if it is so, what do Buffalonians want done with those currently unused parcels? Again just asking questions to learn. I know you aren't trying to be a jerk and are asking serious questions I haven't seen an official poll and am just going by my interactions with people from around the city. . . My friends would actually like to see a downtown stadium so they actually don't skew my perception of it Either way , I love the city and the Bills and will rally around whatever they decide
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: it doesn't. Again not Arguing the aspect when the owners don’t pay for the stadium, I know and have read likely the same information you have, and I agree with it pertaining to economic stimulus of tax payer funded stadiums. I guess in the long run cities just let teams walk, which is what might happen in Buffalo at some point if the local area does not foot part of the tab, maybe the Pegulas will be different and force change, but I doubt the NFL will allow it, and force them to sell the team so it can be relocated? It’s a tuff thing for a community to deal with, especially when they are paying a mortgage on an unused stadium.
Mr Info Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 For stadiums to be built in the next 3-5 years, the changes with autonomous vehicles might be considered. The need for significant parking lots/spaces could become a thing of the past. Younger people may choose to not own a car that remains unused 90% of the time. No car payments, no insurance, etc. Here is an article discussing this from a DC perspective but there are others similar to this. Just something else that might be deliberated when building a stadium. https://ggwash.org/view/40474/self-driving-cars-could-change-a-lot-about-tailgating 1
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Info said: For stadiums to be built in the next 3-5 years, the changes with autonomous vehicles might be considered. The need for significant parking lots/spaces could become a thing of the past. Younger people may choose to not own a car that remains unused 90% of the time. No car payments, no insurance, etc. Here is an article discussing this from a DC perspective but there are others similar to this. Just something else that might be deliberated when building a stadium. https://ggwash.org/view/40474/self-driving-cars-could-change-a-lot-about-tailgating YES! Good to see someone with their finger on the pulse of the future. My kid (and most born within the last few years) will probably never even have a Drivers License, let alone own a car. They'll have an app with a service they subscribe to. And for $300/month they'll get X amount of miles/month in self-driving cars that they can quickly and easily beckon from their phone. This change will also have a huge affect on "traffic", or the lack there of. Since there will be much less (maybe zero) driver inefficiency and accidents. Light turns green, the entire line of cars move at once.
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: YES! Good to see someone with their finger on the pulse of the future. My kid (and most born within the last few years) will probably never even have a Drivers License, let alone own a car. They'll have an app with a service they subscribe to. And for $300/month they'll get X amount of miles/month in self-driving cars that they can quickly and easily beckon from their phone. This change will also have a huge affect on "traffic", or the lack there of. Since there will be much less (maybe zero) driver inefficiency and accidents. Light turns green, the entire line of cars move at once. That technology is on the cusp of happening, I am 60 years old, and have owned one new car, got my license when I was 34 years old, I just did not need a car, mass transit and bicycles took care of 90% of my travel needs, it took many years after I got my license before I bought a car. Rented when I needed one. People like me were the early adapters, ? 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: YES! Good to see someone with their finger on the pulse of the future. My kid (and most born within the last few years) will probably never even have a Drivers License, let alone own a car. They'll have an app with a service they subscribe to. And for $300/month they'll get X amount of miles/month in self-driving cars that they can quickly and easily beckon from their phone. This change will also have a huge affect on "traffic", or the lack there of. Since there will be much less (maybe zero) driver inefficiency and accidents. Light turns green, the entire line of cars move at once. $300 a month? X amount of miles... Let's all rely on an app? How about ditching the cellphone bill? A nice car payment and insurance is less. Go anywhere you want, when you want. LoL... Great... Let's see how autonomous vehicles interact with real humans driving them... It's nice to dream... But I at 51 won't see it.
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: $300 a month? X amount of miles... Let's all rely on an app? How about ditching the cellphone bill? A nice car payment and insurance is less. Go anywhere you want, when you want. LoL... Great... Let's see how autonomous vehicles interact with real humans driving them... It's nice to dream... But I at 51 won't see it. And even at 51, you'll see it soon enough. We're less than 10 years away from the majority of vehicles on the road being self-driving, app-owned cars.
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: $300 a month? X amount of miles... Let's all rely on an app? How about ditching the cellphone bill? A nice car payment and insurance is less. Go anywhere you want, when you want. LoL... Great... Let's see how autonomous vehicles interact with real humans driving them... It's nice to dream... But I at 51 won't see it. Self driving cars are already happening, you may live long enough to watch it start in earnest. Likely highway use first, times a changin, ? me, I travel mostly by boat nowadays, still rent cars a couple times a year. 1
RochesterRob Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, Mr Info said: For stadiums to be built in the next 3-5 years, the changes with autonomous vehicles might be considered. The need for significant parking lots/spaces could become a thing of the past. Younger people may choose to not own a car that remains unused 90% of the time. No car payments, no insurance, etc. Here is an article discussing this from a DC perspective but there are others similar to this. Just something else that might be deliberated when building a stadium. https://ggwash.org/view/40474/self-driving-cars-could-change-a-lot-about-tailgating Not owning a vehicle might be possible in an area with extensive public transportation options but is not going to work for the person who has to commute from Batavia to Arcade and back 5 times per week plus go get groceries and do all the other business in life. I don't see this as a wide spread option in WNY. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Not owning a vehicle might be possible in an area with extensive public transportation options but is not going to work for the person who has to commute from Batavia to Arcade and back 5 times per week plus go get groceries and do all the other business in life. I don't see this as a wide spread option in WNY. It's a shift from "owning" a vehicle and paying for a hunk of metal that depreciates the second you leave the lot, plus paying insurance, and upkeep, and fuel... to having a subscription for full-time access to a fleet of self-driving vehicles. Just commuting today? Well, the car will be outside your house at 7:30am, per the recurring schedule you setup in your app, to speed you to the office, while you kick back and rest or get work done. BTW, the commute will be about half of what it is now since user error is removed from the equation. Need to pick up groceries? Then select the larger vehicle from the drop-down menu with more room for cargo. Whole family going somewhere? Select the SUV-sized vehicle with extra seating. All included in your plan. Doesnt matter where you live, you still have full-time access to vehicles.
RochesterRob Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Buffalo has always been a city of a select, but vocal, urban elite. It's a city that told Henry Ford to get ***** -ed... He then went to Detroit. We are a hard puzzle, people-wise, to figure out. Good thing that we told Henry to take a hike or we would have been stuck with the Lions or whatever they would have been called here.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And even at 51, you'll see it soon enough. We're less than 10 years away from the majority of vehicles on the road being self-driving, app-owned cars. We shall see. Got the clock ticking.
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: We shall see. Got the clock ticking. I sincerely hope youre around to see it. Going to be a really cool paradigm shift.
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