Tiberius Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dubs said: “I would like you to do us a favor though, because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it”. Then he goes on to talk about the DNC servers and Crowdstrike. see how easy it is to actually read and quote the exact line. Still, it shows he was extorting him. The aid was held up until the favor was delivered. The ambassador was recalled, trumps personal criminal was there pushing this, it's all there. 1
Albwan Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 16 hours ago, B-Man said: Here are the specific examples of the laws Trump has broken that E.I.I. , Gary, Tibsy have given us so far. Whoa ..... number 7 is really bad guys ! This is it, the end for Trump...clear threat to democracy !!!!!!! 1
dubs Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Still, it shows he was extorting him. The aid was held up until the favor was delivered. The ambassador was recalled, trumps personal criminal was there pushing this, it's all there. he wasn’t extorting anyone. Try and stay with me here, I’ll keep it simple: 1) the democrats spent over two years and millions of dollars on an “investigation” that was predicated on, at best, totally inaccurate and baseless information. 2) at the center of this is that the DNC servers were hacked - yet, no FBI or US investigative agency ever did a forensic or any examination of the server. 3) the DNC hired Crowdstrike to do an “internal investigation” at which they concluded there was hacking by Russians. 4) if we as a country are concerned about our elections being influenced by foreign entities and rooting out corruption within our own government, AND there would be a possibility that we could recover evidence that would provide clarity on what actually took place - to get answers to questions that the Mueller team didn’t get, wouldn’t it make sense for our president to pursue that? Edited October 16, 2019 by dubs 1
SoCal Deek Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: "I need a favor though" Thats it. Combine that with the other evidence and he is obviously guilty And where in that line does he mention withholding aid?
Tiberius Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, dubs said: he wasn’t extorting anyone. Try and stay with me here, I’ll keep it simple: 1) the democrats spent over two years and millions of dollars on an “investigation” that was predicated on, at best, totally inaccurate and baseless information. 2) at the center of this is that the DNC servers were hacked - yet, no FBI or US investigative agency ever did a forensic or any examination of the server. 3) the DNC hired Crowdstrike to do an “internal investigation” at which they concluded there was hacking by Russians. 4) if we as a country are concerned about our elections being influenced by foreign entities and rooting out corruption within our own government, AND there would be a possibility that we could recover evidence that would provide clarity on what actually took place - to get answers to questions that the Mueller team didn’t get, wouldn’t it make sense for our president to pursue that? It's pretty simple, he withheld aid and asked for a favor for it, to interfere in our election. And his minions tried carrying this out for awhile, there is evidence, testimony and witnesses. Pretty clear cut 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And where in that line does he mention withholding aid? It was being withheld. The Ukraine pres just asked about the missiles and Trump jumped right to the favor point. There is more evidence backing it all up Did you read the Whistleblower complaint? 1
SoCal Deek Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: It's pretty simple, he withheld aid and asked for a favor for it, to interfere in our election. And his minions tried carrying this out for awhile, there is evidence, testimony and witnesses. Pretty clear cut If you actually took one second to read the transcript he’s actually connecting the general aid disbursement discussion to the lack of similar assistance coming from Germany and others. Your connection of the topic to Biden is weak. 1
Tiberius Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 Your government at work for Trump. The New York Times reports: Mr. Kent raised concerns to colleagues early this year about the pressure being directed at Ukraine by Mr. Trump and his private lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to pursue investigations into Mr. Trump’s political rivals, according to people familiar with Mr. Kent’s warnings. As far back as March, they said, Mr. Kent was pointing to Mr. Giuliani’s role in what he called a “disinformation” campaign intended to use a Ukrainian prosecutor to smear targets of the president. 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: If you actually took one second to read the transcript he’s actually connecting the general aid disbursement discussion to the lack of similar assistance coming from Germany and others. Your connection of the topic to Biden is weak. Spin
row_33 Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: If you actually took one second to read the transcript he’s actually connecting the general aid disbursement discussion to the lack of similar assistance coming from Germany and others. Your connection of the topic to Biden is weak. how can you possibly bother to continue with this?
Tiberius Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 former senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo until his sudden resignation last week, will tell House impeachment investigators Wednesday that career diplomats were mistreated during his tenure and some had their careers derailed for political reasons, according to a person familiar with his testimony. McKinley will outline how his concerns culminated with the recall of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, a punitive action he and many other rank-and-file diplomats viewed as wholly unjustified. “The unwillingness of State Department leadership to defend Yovanovitch or interfere with an obviously partisan effort to intervene in our relationship with Ukraine for the political benefit of the president was too much for him,” said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pompeo-adviser-to-decry-politicization-of-state-dept-in-impeachment-probe-testimony/2019/10/16/a43eec04-ffa5-4189-9845-dc8ad3be190b_story.html
dubs Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 37 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It's pretty simple, he withheld aid and asked for a favor for it, to interfere in our election. And his minions tried carrying this out for awhile, there is evidence, testimony and witnesses. just a couple questions. If you truly believe what you just wrote: 1) what was asked that would interfere in our elections? 2) is finding out what really happened in 2016 critically important to you? 3) if the US recovered the DNC server and found no evidence of Russian hacking would that change your perspective on things? 1
Tiberius Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, dubs said: just a couple questions. If you truly believe what you just wrote: 1) what was asked that would interfere in our elections? 2) is finding out what really happened in 2016 critically important to you? 3) if the US recovered the DNC server and found no evidence of Russian hacking would that change your perspective on things? 1) Inventing evidence specifically against the guy who was leading him in the polls, that was the favor. What else do you need to know? You act like this was routine, or normal, and no it was not 2) I read the Mueller report 3) counter factual evidence question, so I have no answer
Bob in Mich Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 57 minutes ago, dubs said: the difference between normal, rational people and the cultist left is that normal, rational people will not defend Trump or anyone should it be proven that they have broken laws. Normal, rational people also have the capacity to think for themselves and make judgements based on facts and evidence, and separate those things from what is being shoved down their throat by people and organizations with obvious agendas. case in point, anyone who read the transcript of the conversation would see that there was nothing untoward about it. At worst, he should have seen that his opponents could have twisted the discussion using their Pravda allies. But campaigning on draining the swamp and then trying to find out if the second highest elected office holder was using his position to enrich his family is exactly what he promised he would do and why people elected him. yet, the lemmings in the left cult only believe what they are told by proven liars in Congress and empty suits and mouthpieces on TV. Regardless of proof of criminal activity, a large percentage of Trump's supporters will never criticize his actions. Short of actual televised murder, they will find a way to rationalize nearly any action. You claim you will accept facts and evidence of any Trump misdeeds and make a rational judgement, and you may. I know that many posters here will certainly not do that. The chief reason for that is in your post. They will immediately upon criticism, completely discount the source as not credible. This happens with anyone voicing criticism. At this point, anyone investigating the President has been deemed by his supporters to be unfit to judge his actions. So, those folks really no longer believe any negative information from the investigating bodies and therefore do not have the ability to make rational judgements on his activities. From your post, it seems you too may be in that camp. Hunter Biden clearly got positions due largely to his last name - without a doubt. He has admitted that. If you are as rational as proclaimed, you would certainly have to admit that the Trump children have also taken advantage of their family name to enrich themselves. It is the way of our world. "In finding a job, it isn't what you know as much as who you know", is an adage for valid reasons. However, if that is the chief source of corruption in the Ukraine, as one might think given the President's specific request, the Ukraine is far less corrupt than the USA. A rational person would surely conclude that Trump's motivation in singling out that 'corruption' had far more to do with influencing the upcoming 2020 election than with cleaning up general corruption in the Ukraine. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Regardless of proof of criminal activity, a large percentage of Trump's supporters will never criticize his actions. Same can be said of the partisans on the other side of the aisle, no? Regardless of how much evidence, and there's tons, that the TRUE interference in the 2016 election came from the previous administration more than Russia, a large percentage of democrats will never criticize those decisions and illegal acts. You've yet to, as an example. Despite there being 100x the amount of evidence to prove it than there ever was to prove Trump/Russia collusion/conspiracy....
Tiberius Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Same can be said of the partisans on the other side of the aisle, no? Regardless of how much evidence, and there's tons, that the TRUE interference in the 2016 election came from the previous administration more than Russia, a large percentage of democrats will never criticize those decisions and illegal acts. You've yet to, as an example. GOP led House never uncovered anything like that. They had the power. Just making up imagined crimes to cover for real crimes is just excusing the law breaker 1
Deranged Rhino Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 Incorrect. We just discovered Mifsud turned over his phones to western intelligence officers. That's not something a Russian spy would ever do. Ever. And if Mifsud isn't a Russian spy, which he's not, then the ENTIRE basis for the narrative crumbles. And it has. It's over. It's only going to get more apparent. 2
KRC Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 37 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Do me a favor, pass the ketchup. Stop extorting me!!
3rdnlng Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 "Do me a favor with regards to that Crowdstrike thingy that is at the heart of the 2016 Russian collusion farce." "Oh, you want me to make up dirt on Joe Biden?" Makes sense if you were dumb before you got dropped on your head or if your mind is so addled by weed that you just ignore whole fields worth of facts.
Tiberius Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 Why are all these foreign policy officials testifying that Trump was using the state department to further his own political DOMESTIC agenda? A coup poo? Oooooooo!!
3rdnlng Posted October 16, 2019 Posted October 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why are all these foreign policy officials testifying that Trump was using the state department to further his own political DOMESTIC agenda? A coup poo? Oooooooo!! Oh, I know. Maybe they should get them from the Interior Department.
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