billykay Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 On 10/8/2019 at 3:34 PM, JESSEFEFFER said: Movement that simulates the start of a play like QB head bob is illegal seems to me. Having them both move abruptly was intended to do just that. Also, what about Milano's holding penalty? Looked like he chucked the receiver within 5 yds.
snamsnoops Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) On 10/8/2019 at 3:08 PM, golfball323 said: its just one of those things. When he flew into Mariota you knew the flag was coming. I have to say, with all of the bad calls (PI, Roughing the QB) the refs are making this year, they do a relatively good job of making up for the bad ones. Pay attention the next time you watch a game. Make up calls have been and will be a real thing as long as refs have as much power as they do in today's game. Unless your playing the patriots****** then ur just F$c#@D.... Edited October 9, 2019 by snamsnoops 1
Doc Posted October 10, 2019 Posted October 10, 2019 4 hours ago, TigerJ said: What it boils down to is it only matters how the QB is affected in the roughing penalty. How he got affected that way does not matter in the least. Milano hit Mariota low. That's a penalty. I suppose if Milano had been blocked into him, there might be case for appealing the ruling (or complaining about it since there is no appeal. In this case, Milano was blocked low and his momentum carried him to Mariota's feet. Does not matter. Go to the rules committee and make you case that the rule should be written, but as the rule is written, it was correctly enforced. Not true. The refs are allowed to ignore a roughing penalty if the defender is forced into the QB by an offensive player. Like Milano was when the Titans player tripped him and he lost control. At best the refs didn't see what caused Milano to fly into Mariota's legs and at worst they're incompetent for a) not realizing the offensive player's actions are what led to the low hit and b) not seeing that it was an illegal trip.
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 12, 2019 Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) On 10/8/2019 at 3:29 PM, Sig1Hunter said: Because the movement by the two tight ends on the end of the line wasn’t a false start. It was a shift. A shift designed to entice a jump by the defense, no doubt. But, it was a legal shift nonetheless. Trent took the bait. You can even see after the play he was patting his chest admitting it was his fault. That call was a proper call. False Start Definition It is a False Start if the ball has been placed ready for play, and, prior to the snap, an offensive player who has assumed a set position charges or moves in such a way as to simulate the start of a play, or if an offensive player who is in motion makes a sudden movement toward the line of scrimmage. Any quick abrupt movement by a single offensive player, or by several offensive players in unison, which simulates the start of the snap, is a false start. Exceptions: This does not apply to an offensive player under the center who turns his head or shoulders, unless the movement is an obvious attempt to draw an opponent offside. Imo, the movement in unison was abrupt. The TE simulated a pass block set, the wing simulated the beginning of a pass route, both are common movements to the start of the play. The TE could have lifted his arm to a 2 point stance, paused, taken 2 steps back and then the wing/slot could have taken two forward. The way it was done was in unison and abruptly was intended to bait Murphy to react. The crew let them get away with it and if this were a universal interpretation, we would see it more often. Someone else tries it, we are likely to see it called "simulating start of play" and a false start much like the QB head bob and the Kyler Murray hand claps. False Start Hand Claps Edited October 12, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER
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