Mat68 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said: Yes but they are the least valuable part of a team. I'd rather have a stud punter than a Melvin Gordon (good but not great). I'd also rather have an accurate kicker than a Melvin Gordon. ? ??? And what do we do with Gore and Singletary? Whether its cut, trade or split touches, all three do not justify paying top 10 rb money ( he was asking for top 3). Peoples obsession with RBs is so dated. ? They have the money. Short term deal. Gore a primary backup role. Gordon and Singletary in a Ingram and Kamara type split. It doesnt make the team worse. They got 80 mil plus next year still almost 15 mil this year. Use 36 of the 95 for a top 10 back? Yeah.
Buffalo Junction Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: I disagree. Singletary showed this as well. The runs Gore gets10-15 Gordon gets you 20-30. The Oline is responsible for the rushing yards with Gore. Gore at this point will get the yards that are there, but not much more. In an attempt to compete with KC and NE, I would like to see Buffalo make a move like this. Gordon upgrades the rushing attack and underneath passing attack. If it’s 2018 Gordon. Every other year he’s averaged less than 4 yards a carry. I agree that he’d improve the passing offense since defenses couldn’t key on run/pass with Gordon or Singletary in the game.
Mat68 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 With the resources and money I hope Buffalo does something. They are 3rd in the AFC. The defense in January will keep them in any game. Imo adding some extra juice to the roster could be the difference in advancing in the playoffs. Move into the small group of teams with actual Superbowl hopes. Whether they deem that guy to be Gordon, Diggs whoever, maybe a defender, they put themselves in position make the most of it. Whoever, they bring they have the cap space and assets to please the player and team. 1
MrSarcasm Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mat68 said: They have the money. Short term deal. Gore a primary backup role. Gordon and Singletary in a Ingram and Kamara type split. It doesnt make the team worse. They got 80 mil plus next year still almost 15 mil this year. Use 36 of the 95 for a top 10 back? Yeah. And Gore?? Averaging over 5 yards per carry you want to just not play him this year? Ingram and Kamara are no longer together so give me a current situation in the league that justifies this waste of money. How about we pay guys that have actually performed well on our own team before we go and overpay for a player we don't need in a postion that is the not very valuable. ? 5 minutes ago, Mat68 said: With the resources and money I hope Buffalo does something. They are 3rd in the AFC. The defense in January will keep them in any game. Imo adding some extra juice to the roster could be the difference in advancing in the playoffs. Move into the small group of teams with actual Superbowl hopes. Whether they deem that guy to be Gordon, Diggs whoever, maybe a defender, they put themselves in position make the most of it. Whoever, they bring they have the cap space and assets to please the player and team. Let's sureup the foundation then and fix the right side of the line. No need signing a skill position player when they need the line to function first. ? Edited October 8, 2019 by MrSarcasm
Putin Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mat68 said: They have the money. Short term deal. Gore a primary backup role. Gordon and Singletary in a Ingram and Kamara type split. It doesnt make the team worse. They got 80 mil plus next year still almost 15 mil this year. Use 36 of the 95 for a top 10 back? Yeah. We still have OUR own guys that need to be signed , I’m not against singing a good football player but I would rather address other positions on offense!!! GO BILLS!!!!
Mat68 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said: And Gore?? Averaging over 5 yards per carry you want to just not play him this year? Ingram and Kamara are no longer together so give me a current situation in the league that justifies this waste of money. How about we pay guys that have actually performed well on our own team before we go and overpay for a player we don't need in a postion that is the not very valuable. ? As much as I would like a move for Julio Jones or DeAndre Hopkins they are not available. Diggs, Gordon, Ramsey, Green, and who else? Gordon would cost the least annually and resources. It's not A typical in how teams are made but would play into the strengths of a top defense and strong arm Qb. Run the ball effectively + playaction = Big plays.
MrSarcasm Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mat68 said: As much as I would like a move for Julio Jones or DeAndre Hopkins they are not available. Diggs, Gordon, Ramsey, Green, and who else? Gordon would cost the least annually and resources. It's not A typical in how teams are made but would play into the strengths of a top defense and strong arm Qb. Run the ball effectively + playaction = Big plays. Yes out of those players he would cost the least but he is also the least needed out of that list. Oh and Ramsey should just be taken off that list- not a process guy. ? Edited October 8, 2019 by MrSarcasm
DCofNC Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 For a half season rental, you wouldn't trade Yeldon, that's nuts.? Basically you know you are getting a 3rd back for him, assuming you don't sign a ton of guys, which is where the big issue with this comes to play. IF, you don't sign a lot of players, Gordon will get you a 3rd back. If you go slap happy and sign a lot of FA, the 3rd rounder is gone. Risk v Reward here. I'd love to have him, but hes also not worth what he thinks he is.
Mat68 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Putin said: We still have OUR own guys that need to be signed , I’m not against singing a good football player but I would rather address other positions on offense!!! GO BILLS!!!! Jordan Phillips is the only guy who's in the conversation to needed to be resigned. Every one else is under contract for 2 or 3 years.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mat68 said: As much as I would like a move for Julio Jones or DeAndre Hopkins they are not available. Diggs, Gordon, Ramsey, Green, and who else? Gordon would cost the least annually and resources. It's not A typical in how teams are made but would play into the strengths of a top defense and strong arm Qb. Run the ball effectively + playaction = Big plays. I thought our cafeteria was considered pretty good, but that would be next level!
Mat68 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said: Yes out of those players he would cost the least but he is also the least needed out of that list. Oh and Ramsey should just be taken off that list- not a process guy. ? Ramsey not liking Marrone makes him a process guy to me lol. In reality hes been the best player on the team and is the last guy they are re signing. Basically, they are just not going to and tag him as long as they can. Wanting to be paid doesnt make you a bad guy in the terms of pro sports.
MrSarcasm Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Mat68 said: Ramsey not liking Marrone makes him a process guy to me lol. In reality hes been the best player on the team and is the last guy they are re signing. Basically, they are just not going to and tag him as long as they can. Wanting to be paid doesnt make you a bad guy in the terms of pro sports. Showing up in a Brinks truck and constantly going out of your way to talk trash on opposing QBs (GQ article) makes you a head case and a me first type of guy=bad guy. In other words he is a Rex Ryan guy. ?
RobbRiddick Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 Don't see the point in this. Singletary looked great before his injury and I feel good about him and Gore together. If we trade for someone I'd rather it was a true number 1 WR
wagon127 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 Bringing players on this team, that potentially think they are better then the people already on it, has proved to be troublesome for most teams in the past. Just look at Sammy Watkins and Kelvin Benjamin. They got rid of Benjamin early, forfeiting a compensatory pick, cause of how bad he was. The locker room matters. Develop Singletary, and enjoy the Running back production at a bargain financially. You are going to probably pay Gordon 5-10 times what is the current total payroll for our back field. And you most definitely will not see 5-10 times the amount of production.
Mat68 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, wagon127 said: Bringing players on this team, that potentially think they are better then the people already on it, has proved to be troublesome for most teams in the past. Just look at Sammy Watkins and Kelvin Benjamin. They got rid of Benjamin early, forfeiting a compensatory pick, cause of how bad he was. The locker room matters. Develop Singletary, and enjoy the Running back production at a bargain financially. You are going to probably pay Gordon 5-10 times what is the current total payroll for our back field. And you most definitely will not see 5-10 times the amount of production. I have 0 care what a player makes. Having "bargain" production doesn't matter when the Franchise is sitting on 100 mil in cap space. Sure signing a bunch of mid level players to blotted contracts doesnt work. Adding a player to the offense or defense during the bye week to make a push "This" year has more good than bad outcomes. At a time when Buffalo was on tilt, trading for Benjamin gave the team a jolt and legitimate mis match outside that propelled a playoff berth. Long term it didnt pan out. Short term? They made the playoffs, and were also terrible catch no catch call from beating NE in Ne after Halloween. The schedule this year is shaping up for the first 10 plus win team since the 90's. I feel Buffalo should make a move now. Maybe catch a team sleeping on them, and the projected pick wont be as good as they think? Best believe the teams Buffalo has to get past are looking to do the same thing.
billsfan89 Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 I don't see the Bills trading for Gordon. Gordon is a good top 10 back but I do not see him as a significant game changer for the offense. The Bills current platoon of Gore between the tackles, Yeldon as a receiver, and Singletary as an uber third down back is solid and while Gordon would represent an upgrade it isn't massive. I think if the team makes an acquisition I think they add a capable veteran WR, TE, or Pass rusher. The offense won't be able to add a true WR1 (Sorry but AJ Green is out 5-7 weeks and I don't think any team trades for a player that likely won't have played a snap by the trade deadline) but there could exist a solid vet WR like Emmanual Sanders who could be available at the deadline. I put the odds of a Bills trade at the deadline at 60%. I am not sure if it will be a significant add but I think that they do add a piece to this team to help the depth or upgrade a weaker point of the roster. I don't think there is a major trade like Amari Cooper last year but I think they could trade as high as a third round pick for a rental if a good WR or Pass Rusher hits the market. This season presents too good an opportunity to not be on the market for a trade that can improve the roster.
njbuff Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 If the Bills ever plan on trading for a RB (which is HIGHLY doubtful), why would they trade a high draft choice or two for Gordon when they can trade a low draft choice for Drake?
DCofNC Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, njbuff said: If the Bills ever plan on trading for a RB (which is HIGHLY doubtful), why would they trade a high draft choice or two for Gordon when they can trade a low draft choice for Drake? Who says Drake can be had to a division rival for a low pick and who on earth thinks he's in Gordon's stratosphere?
njbuff Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, DCofNC said: Who says Drake can be had to a division rival for a low pick and who on earth thinks he's in Gordon's stratosphere? Division rivals have traded with each other before and the Bills don’t need Gordon, a Drake-type for 7-12 touches a game is more than OK. 1
DCofNC Posted October 8, 2019 Posted October 8, 2019 I honestly don't see the point, Drake is a minor upgrade, if any at all. Gordon is a top 10RB, so at least theres a question of it being worth it.
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