PolishDave Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 10:51 AM, Mr. WEO said: It's hard to get an answer when you don't ask the man a question. Give him the ball. Posters putting a lot on Singletary who is out 3 games in his first season after only 10 carries. Yeldon is not the answer. He is a proven fumbler which is why I believe he isn't getting more action. He was a fumbler before he came here and he fumbled at a crucial moment in the Patriots game costing the Bills dearly. I believe that is why he isn't getting more time. I expected them to cut him immediately after the Patriots game as he is a huge liability when he touches the ball. He has talent to make plays, but he is too unreliable with ball control. Once Singletary is healthy, Yeldon will rarely touch the ball again - if he even touches it again - JMHO.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 8:26 AM, Ramza86 said: We can get drives going...but it just looks like we cant get enough big plays down the field. Im not talking about just a streak down the field for 60 yards. Is it lack of separation? Is it lack of play design? I dont think we can use the excuse of there are 2 deep safeties so we can only take what they give. Every other NFL team doesnt seem to have that issue. And no team plays two deep the entire game. What is it and it this fixable? If the offense doesnt shape up those tight ones will not always be winnable. First of all, your title is "what are we missing offensively", but you seem very focused on big plays down the field as the problem for sustaining drives. I don't agree. I think the biggest problem we're facing on offense is sustaining drives. Between INTs, fumbles, turnovers on downs where we fail to get 1-2 yds, drops, and penalties, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. You're right that teams don't play 2 deep the entire game, but if they can shut down the deep stuff for a couple plays and wait for us to miscue, they don't have to, right? Their safeties can sip Gatoraid on the sideline while our D works up a sweat. So that's the big issue IMHO - cleaning up our game, get out of our own way and quit stopping ourselves. If we can reliably and consistently sustain the short stuff, then D's have to adjust and open up the deeper passes. Then frankly, we need another WR who can go deep. Zay Jones was not that guy. Foster has been injured (injuries impacting speed) and still out. Roberts has been injured and they're working him back in slowly. So with only Brown to cover, they can cover him like a blanket. Third, there have been times when we just need a little more from our OL. Part of that is Josh. If the D pawing at the ground and teeing off, they're daring him to check down and risk that breaking for good yards. If he shows he can make them pay consistently, they'll back off a bit. Then our OL can give a little more, and Josh has a little more time in the pocket for the play to develop and to set his feet for a nice on-target throw. I said in the other thread I think people under-estimate the impact on a QB of having an extra fraction of a second or an extra fraction of a yard to follow through.
PolishDave Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Honestly the only thing I think is missing is time to develop. Josh is not Mahomes and Dabolls not Reid. He played his 16th game Sunday. What are people expecting? Outside of Jackson perhaps he's played better than the others in his class. We all knew he was a ball of clay. Unfortunately the Defense appears to be 2 seasons ahead of the offense. They're ready to contend now. Agreed. This offense should improve over the course of the season assuming players don't get injured. You can see Allen hitting guys over the middle with timing and consistency. It is a very, very good sign. I think Daboll is doing a good job based on the amount of open receivers I have seen. Josh will get better at finding them as he gains confidence and becomes more comfortable in this offense. The arrow is pointed in the right direction. I think the offensive line still is still a long way from being where it needs to be for this team to be dominant. The line is not opening holes in the run game as consistently as it needs to be. If this line was dominant, the Bills would be a true contender right now - even with just average play from Allen. It is an exciting time to be a Bills fan. There is reason for optimism.
Mr. WEO Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, PolishDave said: Yeldon is not the answer. He is a proven fumbler which is why I believe he isn't getting more action. He was a fumbler before he came here and he fumbled at a crucial moment in the Patriots game costing the Bills dearly. I believe that is why he isn't getting more time. I expected them to cut him immediately after the Patriots game as he is a huge liability when he touches the ball. He has talent to make plays, but he is too unreliable with ball control. Once Singletary is healthy, Yeldon will rarely touch the ball again - if he even touches it again - JMHO. Huge liability? He had a single fumble last year. Gore averages over 3 fumbles a season--over 15 seasons. Yeldon"s fumble rate is lower than Gore's. No, Yeldon isn't "the answer", but he is capable until and whenever Singletary can answer the bell in the first half of his first season. Calling him "a fumbler" and a "huge liability" with the ball isn't a fact based claim though---it's a fabrication. Therefore completely unconvincing.
LSHMEAB Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 Allen needs to cut down on negative plays whether they be a turnover, a bad sack, or a poor throw. He does a lot of good things, but in order to keep drives alive, you've got to take advantage of what the defense is providing. 3rd and 3 is a whole lot better than 3rd and 12. We've created negative down and distance situations too often this season to go along with the turnovers. It would be great if Duke becomes the guy some envision and Allen takes some chances (in rhythm and in the pocket as opposed to darting right or left and throwing across his body.) As has been mentioned, the chunk plays are lacking bigtime. They've got to start hitting on some of those. It will be cool to get Singletary back because he seems to have the capability of breaking a dumpoff for 40. We really have no electric YAC guys and that's an issue. Chunk plays seldom come via a fly route. It's nice when it connects, but you want to see the 25-40 yard gains any way you can get em.
PolishDave Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Huge liability? He had a single fumble last year. Gore averages over 3 fumbles a season--over 15 seasons. Yeldon"s fumble rate is lower than Gore's. No, Yeldon isn't "the answer", but he is capable until and whenever Singletary can answer the bell in the first half of his first season. Calling him "a fumbler" and a "huge liability" with the ball isn't a fact based claim though---it's a fabrication. Therefore completely unconvincing. Yeldon was a fumbler in college too if I recall correctly - especially in key situations where it was more costly. I'm guessing he would have had more carries in his NFL career if he didn't. Since Yeldon has been in the NFL, he has fumbled 6 times on 475 carries. In the same time Gore has fumbled 10 times on 1,015 carries. So yes, Gore has had more fumbles, but it is because he has had a lot more carries over the same time. And using Gore as a measuring stick is not a great idea. My understanding (maybe I am wrong) is that a running back with good ball security is supposed to fumble less than once out of every 100-125 rushes. Gore has been around average at best. Yeldon is below average in ball security. So maybe saying Yeldon is a "huge liability" is the wrong wording. But he is a liability and proved it with his costly fumble in the biggest game the Bills played yet this season. In my opinion, he is not good enough and should not even be on this team. He is more risk than reward. just my opinion. Edited October 9, 2019 by PolishDave grammar
Locomark Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) Lack of seam plays. Singletary opens up our wide runs and breaks some of those Gore runs where we get 10 yards instead of 30 yards. Screens. Every one seems to get read and blown up. Why are they that easy to read. Fix it! Lack of deep potential since everyone rolls their safety to Brown. If Foster isn't that guy, they need to get someone who can be that guy...NOW 2nd TE who has an impact. They need Kroft. Sweeney will be on the practice squad when he gets back because he has more drops than catches and hasn't shown much. Lack of Trap Plays. When we run them, they work. Run More. QB Sneaks on 4th and 2.. Bleck! Edited October 9, 2019 by Locomark 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 Defenses have tape on Allen and are handling him accordingly. He is improving but he could use another big reciever ala AJ Green to help him. I am so glad AB rejected us since I think he would not have synced with Allen. once Josh shows he can do the short stuff well his deep stuff will open up well.
Augie Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 Points. I’ll start there. It’s mostly the lack of points.... 3
Andy1 Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 What we are missing is time to gel and experience in the system for the whole offense. The defense is ahead of them by a couple years. Give them time. I think they will be much better by end of year. 1
Chandler#81 Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, Augie said: Points. I’ll start there. It’s mostly the lack of points.... and Jill’s. It’s mostly the lack of Jills.. 2 1
RocCityRoller Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 This offense will look different when Foster and Singletary return. Until then feed McKenzie and Knox. Ugly for now, down a few OL. Get the beasts healthy on OL. Get McKenzie involved until then. 1
Augie Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: This offense will look different when Foster and Singletary return. Until then feed McKenzie and Knox. Ugly for now, down a few OL. Get the beasts healthy on OL. Get McKenzie involved until then. Hopefully they are ALL back in a couple weeks for Miami, and we start firing on all cylinders! 1
WideNine Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 6:43 AM, PromoTheRobot said: >An answer at right tackle. >Singletary. >One more WR threat. This. Allen has been getting too much pressure off the edge on the right and there are games where that has had him spooked and he bails on the pocket early. We need Singletary so we can have a more consistent rushing attack that allows Gore to stay fresh and slow opposing defenses that pin their ears back on the pass rush. Singletary is also a RB we can use to get around the edge on stretch plays and toss sweeps if defenses are too focused on rushing/containing Allen A receiver that can make contested catches; someone Allen will not be afraid to throw to when covered. Hopefully Duke fills the bill. I would add Allen continuing to learn to read defenses and getting the ball out quicker. 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 More running plays, Allen isnt Brady yet.
GunnerBill Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 Consistency of execution. And we have just played 3 teams with decent corner combinations - even Cincy whose two starting corners are 1st round picks. I think teams are very wary of Brown over the top and are bracketing him and willing to let him have some underneath stuff as a price for that. I also think philosophically Daboll does not want to run an offense that lives and dies by the deep ball. At times last year they had to because it was all they had. But not sure that is the offense he wants to run.
aristocrat Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 missing that second threat at rb in singletary. i would like to see us bring in another guy as well for the stretch just in case. like the rams did with cj anderson and the eagles did with ajai a few years ago.
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 Play designs are poor. Play calling of the poorly designed plays is not good either. There is a lot to coaching beyond game day coaching. The Bills coaching staff seems to be good at the non-game day coaching. But average Bills fans have a dozen plays a game where they are all scratching their heads asking what were the Bills thinking. (recent obvious example, QB sneak on a fourth and 2). Sports have a variety of success measures. In baseball at the major league level if you put the ball safely in play 30% of the time you are a star. If you are a goaltender and save 93% of the shots in the NHL, you are a star. If you save 90% of the shots, you are just OK, if you save 85% of the shots, you are out of the league. NFL play calling is closer to NHL goal tending than it is to MLB hitting. Bills are missing too often during games.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 9, 2019 Posted October 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Locomark said: Lack of seam plays. Singletary opens up our wide runs and breaks some of those Gore runs where we get 10 yards instead of 30 yards. Screens. Every one seems to get read and blown up. Why are they that easy to read. Fix it! Lack of deep potential since everyone rolls their safety to Brown. If Foster isn't that guy, they need to get someone who can be that guy...NOW 2nd TE who has an impact. They need Kroft. Sweeney will be on the practice squad when he gets back because he has more drops than catches and hasn't shown much. Lack of Trap Plays. When we run them, they work. Run More. QB Sneaks on 4th and 2.. Bleck! ...for YEARS we've been smoked by TE plays in the seam........opposition looked at "third and long" as "third and nothin' " against us.....1st down(s)........Sweeney and Knox have to potential to be akin to "Pete and Keith"....so why not the seam?.....
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