Status of AFC: Should Bills Go All In For 2019?

[Happy]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

 

yeah, and next year we play the AFC West, ie KC and an improved Raiders team and the Chargers and the NFC West, ie Seattle, Rams, and 49ers.  This year we got a slumping AFC North and except for maybe Dallas and Philly, a bad NFC East.

 

Timing is everything  

 

I get it.  How are the Raiders, KC, Rams, 49ers, etc going to be next year?  No one knows that until September, including how good the Bills will be.

My point is that you can't rush what isn't ready.  Yes, the timing may be near perfect as far as the schedule goes, but the team isn't quite there yet.  I'll say this - it hinges on Josh; if the light turns on and he becomes Mahomes-like, then the SB is not out of the question.  I don't think that will happen.

[Rocket94]

Going all in could become incidental if the Bills continue to play disciplined and smart football. The way they are going, it may just take care of itself.

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

Next year we have brutal schedule, like the complete opposite of this year. I know many things will change between now and then, but now it is quite safe to say that if we dominate THAT schedule we are top SB contenders.

 

To save your time guys:

 

Home: Kansas, LA Chargers, Seattle, LA Rams, Cleveland/Baltimore instead of Cincinnati, Baltimore, Washington, Philadelphia, Denver 

Away: Oakland, Denver, SF, Arizona, Houston/Indy instead of Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Dallas, NY Giants and Tennessee.

 

Road games look similar, but home games are like day and night, if we get Ravens both times all 4 games next year may be tougher than Philly this year. Miami can only get better, Jets probably too. We have like 7-8 relatively easy games this year, and there might be 3-4 like that next year.

 

Anyway, to the OP, I am against any short term moves for costly resources at all. Just keep building team through draft, sign our own do reasonable contracts and try to add quality in FA.

No way in Hell are we playing Dallas & NYG in back to back seasons. Wherever are you getting your information, cut it off. Ergo, your post is just wrong.

[RochesterRob]

49 minutes ago, Magox said:

Beane has shown that he is not afraid to roll the dice.  He's had some moves that have worked and others not so much, thankfully the good have been more plentiful than the bad.   

 

The moves they make should be made all within the construct of what they believe fits in their mid to long-term views.    

 

Beane will look at all positions, even the positions that we believe are rock solid because they are constantly looking to upgrade every roster spot, even if that means for higher quality depth.  The Bates trade is a perfect example of that, this was an under the radar trade that helped contribute to the victory vs. the Titans.

 

But if we are talking about splashy sort of moves, the areas of most need are:

 

D - Lineman -  Pass rushing specialist

Offensive tackle - At this stage I am not convinced Ford is a tackle and is better suited as a guard.  Nseke is pretty good but he's getting up there in age.

Wide Receiver - If Foster can regain his form and Duke Williams can continue his ascent then we may be set at the WR spot.  But those are two big IF's that won't be fully answered for at least another month or two.

 

 

  Honestly, I believe that McDermott and Frazier are here long term.  Daboll most likely has another year before teams get really hot to go after him.  I get the sentiment but agree with those that Beane/McD are going for a long term build that will provide more windows than 2019 or 2020.  I still think that the front office will surprise us during the bye with a signing of somebody else's practice squad player that will come in to help the O.

[Big Blitz]

I've been all in on this team since May.  My DC friends thought it was typical homerism.  

 

I believe in McD.  There is something about him and I thought during the whole "kneeling" controversy it solidified it for me. 

 

Jerry Hughes kind of took exception to something Jim Kelly had said...and I'm not getting into that whole mess again....but Hughes response told me that the locker room "had it" and a kind of "stay out of this, this is our team and we got it."  

 

Absolutely nothing against Kelly, but I thought at a time when coaches all over the league could have and likely did lose locker rooms, he did not.  This team to this day plays every play like its their last.  And I attribute that to McD and his staff.  

 

McD.  A leader of men.  And women.  

 

I'm all freaking in.  Go get Trent Williams!

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by Big Blitz

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

13 hours ago, rayray808 said:

if itʻs a steal deal... yes, make moves

 

but we are not desperate...

 

moves I would make if we are talking about dangling a first round pick:

 

1) Von Miller - would make our defense LIGHTS OUT

2) Stephon Diggs - a true WR1... brown goes to 2, beasley at slot, Duke at the 3

3) Melvin Gordon - yes we have Singletary but this dude would be the perfect compliment to Gore

I think Melvin Gordon would be a huge addition. With this defense and a dominant RB it would take a ton of pressure off Allen. 

 

Diggs would be the main WR i would try and trade for. But not at the cost of a 1st rd pick with a very deep WR draft coming up.

 

Von Miller would be a great add but I’m guessing it would be for two 1st rd picks. Elite Pass rushers are worth this price.

 

If this defense somehow added Von Miller your now taking about a defense that will be remembered thought history.

Edited October 7, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[No_Matter_What]

17 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

No way in Hell are we playing Dallas & NYG in back to back seasons. Wherever are you getting your information, cut it off. Ergo, your post is just wrong.

 

Huh, did you even bother reading? 

 

Granted, I am not a native speaker, but I am pretty sure that it should be clear that I named our next year's opponents first and compared them with this year's.

 

Ergo, I've never wrote that we play Dallas and Giants next year. 

Edited October 7, 2019 by No_Matter_What

[Magox]

13 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Honestly, I believe that McDermott and Frazier are here long term.  Daboll most likely has another year before teams get really hot to go after him.  I get the sentiment but agree with those that Beane/McD are going for a long term build that will provide more windows than 2019 or 2020.  I still think that the front office will surprise us during the bye with a signing of somebody else's practice squad player that will come in to help the O.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with this.  I have been saying for quite some time, unless the Bills completely fall apart and lose the locker room which I find highly implausible, no matter what the Bills performance this year or for that matter the next, they aren't going anywhere.  It's clear as day that they have a much better well-thought out construct of an organization than we've had in decades.   For those Whaley defenders who think that Whaley was nearly as good or better than Beane are wholly delusional and clearly have little to no feel of what a true proper organization look like.

 

This is what it looks like, methodical, structured, process oriented with lots of high end talent surrounding them.   The sheer number of guys that are GM candidates is a very telling sign and this organization has a lot of guys in the front office that will be receiving promotions.  

[Hebert19]

Yes.  This has been my point in the aj green thread.  Especially if you can do it with players like that in the last year or without a huge cap number.  

 

Rent AJ green trade for von Miller and go for it all. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

9 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Yes.  This has been my point in the aj green thread.  Especially if you can do it with players like that in the last year or without a huge cap number.  

 

Rent AJ green trade for von Miller and go for it all. 

9 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Yes.  This has been my point in the aj green thread.  Especially if you can do it with players like that in the last year or without a huge cap number.  

 

Rent AJ green trade for von Miller and go for it all. 

 

[CodeMonkey]

No.  The offense is far too weak still.  Making great progress.  Stay the course. No point ***** everything up by being impatient at this point.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Von Miller for 2 1st rd picks is a no brainer.

 

If the Bears could go back in time they would make the Mack trade 100 out of 100 times.

 

I would like to see some one put up a vote.

 

Would you trade two 1st rd picks for Von Miller and a 2nd and 5th for Diggs.

 

Yes or No

Edited October 7, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Guys whose bodies are failing like Williams and Green don't even help short term.

 

 

Mitch Morse body is in worse shape than Green.....does anyone expect him to last more than a couple seasons?    But he's helping in the short term........amirite?

 

This regime doesn't seem to shy away from injured players so your logic doesn't match up with how they've approached roster building.

 

They have a pile of cap room and sorely need for a big play option in the passing game...........and Green is a career 14.8 ypr WR.........exactly what they need.

 

It's not unheard of for a traded player to come in and greatly change the fortune of a contending team on that side of the ball...............see Dareus with the Jags.........they went from worst to first in run defense and had a lead in NE in the AFCCG.     Key adds can make a big difference.   

[Alphadawg7]

Here is what we know:

 

Beane is pretty good at drafting and is also a trade wizard.  

 

So tough call...I dont think the Bills should go all in for anyone unless they believe they are the missing player to get us over the top.  This regime has proven they are good with those draft picks, so would be foolish to say over pay for anyone right now.

 

That being said, Beane is also a trade wizard, so if he does make a trade I have faith he won't over pay and will get a good deal.

Edited October 8, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Mitch Morse body is in worse shape than Green.....does anyone expect him to last more than a couple seasons?    But he's helping in the short term........amirite?

 

This regime doesn't seem to shy away from injured players so your logic doesn't match up with how they've approached roster building.

 

They have a pile of cap room and sorely need for a big play option in the passing game...........and Green is a career 14.8 ypr WR.........exactly what they need.

 

It's not unheard of for a traded player to come in and greatly change the fortune of a contending team on that side of the ball...............see Dareus with the Jags.........they went from worst to first in run defense and had a lead in NE in the AFCCG.     Key adds can make a big difference.   

 

Green isn't healthy. He hasn't even returned to light practice yet. This isn't trading for a guy who is nicked up it would be trading for a guy who right at this moment is injured. 

[CSBill]

16 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

If you could get him for a 3rd, would it be worth it, worst case he's a rental for the year, let him go then, wouldn't the Bills get a 3rd back for him as a comp pick?  Unless they signed another 1st rounder FA, then it offsets??

 

yeah, maybe a 3rd, I would go with that

[Mountain Man]

On 10/7/2019 at 8:01 AM, rayray808 said:

if itʻs a steal deal... yes, make moves

 

but we are not desperate...

 

moves I would make if we are talking about dangling a first round pick:

 

1) Von Miller - would make our defense LIGHTS OUT

2) Stephon Diggs - a true WR1... brown goes to 2, beasley at slot, Duke at the 3

3) Melvin Gordon - yes we have Singletary but this dude would be the perfect compliment to Gore

Diggs isn't a number 1. He is a number 2. For the Vikings he plays a very clear WR2 role complimenting Thielen. 

 

Gordon would be a waste of money now we have Singletary 

 

Real life isnt the same as Madden 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Mountain Man

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Bills don’t need another WR. They need a pass rusher. Probably an OT too but the bigger need is an edge rusher.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Green isn't healthy. He hasn't even returned to light practice yet. This isn't trading for a guy who is nicked up it would be trading for a guy who right at this moment is injured. 

 

 

OBVIOUSLY it's presumed that he will return very soon and that his ankle injury isn't career ending.  

 

The Bengals are being very cautious with Green because their season is lost and they still have several weeks until the trade deadline.

 

It doesn't make much sense for a team to trade a player 3 weeks in advance of the deadline unless the market is flooded or someone is willing to pay a premium.     It's not and I doubt anyone will.   Trade deadline deals are only recently prevalent in the NFL but have long been common in all north american sports and the trades almost always happen in the final days before the deadline.   

 

He will likely come back in two weeks.........play one game.........and be traded to a contender for a will-be late 3rd round pick or later.    

 

To me the people sweating about it being a first or even a second round pick are worrying about nothing.........that's not happening for a 31 year old 8-game rental even if he's a superstar when healthy.     And for people who think the Bengals will wait for a comp pick instead of anything later than a 2nd they neglect to recognize the chance that the Bengals might not be on the plus side of a formula for a comp pick(new HC will want to shop for his guys) or that they don't want to save the pro-rated money on AJG's deal this season.   The Brown family is like Ralph.........a penny saved is a penny earned.   They save upwards of $8M out of pocket by moving him at the deadline.

 

 I think it's at least 50% chance he is dealt and not at a prohibitive cost. 

 

The Bills could really use a player like him in the fold ahead the Eagles game...........that's the one on the immediate schedule that looks like they are going to need to score some points or risk being upset at home. 

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

OBVIOUSLY it's presumed that he will return very soon and that his ankle injury isn't career ending.  

 

The Bengals are being very cautious with Green because their season is lost and they still have several weeks until the trade deadline.

 

It doesn't make much sense for a team to trade a player 3 weeks in advance of the deadline unless the market is flooded or someone is willing to pay a premium.     It's not and I doubt anyone will.   Trade deadline deals are only recently prevalent in the NFL but have long been common in all north american sports and the trades almost always happen in the final days before the deadline.   

 

He will likely come back in two weeks.........play one game.........and be traded to a contender for a will-be late 3rd round pick or later.    

 

To me the people sweating about it being a first or even a second round pick are worrying about nothing.........that's not happening for a 31 year old 8-game rental even if he's a superstar when healthy.     And for people who think the Bengals will wait for a comp pick instead of anything later than a 2nd they neglect to recognize the chance that the Bengals might not be on the plus side of a formula for a comp pick(new HC will want to shop for his guys) or that they don't want to save the pro-rated money on AJG's deal this season.   The Brown family is like Ralph.........a penny saved is a penny earned.   They save upwards of $8M out of pocket by moving him at the deadline.

 

 I think it's at least 50% chance he is dealt and not at a prohibitive cost. 

 

The Bills could really use a player like him in the fold ahead the Eagles game...........that's the one on the immediate schedule that looks like they are going to need to score some points or risk being upset at home. 

 

I am not willing to trade for a guy who hasn't been cleared for practice. I don't buy that they are just trying to protect his trade value. If he was healthy enough to practice he would be practicing because that helps them trade him. I don't think teams will be lining up to trade for a guy who hasn't even been out there in the week yet this season.