Did Jonathan Jones purposely take out Josh Allen?

[MJS]

No. He was just trying to hit him. It was a penalty and he should get a fine but I don't think he was trying to hurt anybody. Stop watching it in slow motion. Watch it at full speed. There's no way he "lifted his head at the last moment to target Allen's head". It was a bang bang play.

 

I'll take some flack for this I'm sure, but I wonder how many of you posters have ever been on a football field. Things happen so fast out there.

[SwampD]

 

12 minutes ago, 50yrpatsfan said:

Watch the video objectively, like it was 2 other teams playing. 

Allen aims toward Jones and lowers his head. Jones braces for a hit. The crown of Allen's helmet strikes the side of Jones' helmet.

It's very clear.  https://t.co/0rc5YkIDs1

Objectively,... that’s funny.

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, mattynh said:

 

They did add a penalty a couple years ago about runners lowing their head, not sure it has eve been called.  I really think you have to consider the down and distance and the fact Allen was approaching the sticks on 3rd and 8.  He was going for the first down, the defender was trying to prevent it.   The play was illegal on the defenders side for sure but I have seen much worse.

Allen was not using his head as a weapon.  It appears from every angle that Jones is.

23 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

say what?

 

I watched it.  You just have to go to youtube 

 

How dare you ruin our conspiracy theory.

[Dopey]

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Hes also a 5’8 180lbs guy the just stopped a 240lbs guy with momentum. While the flex aged poorly I think it was very possibly just on the high of a big hit and had no idea josh wasn’t popping back up. 

It's a tough call, but yea, I'm with you. He was doing his job. I would hope our intent on that type of play was to keep the QB from gaining that 1st down in a tight game. The flex seemed more like a celebration on a good lick. It did age poorly though, but no intent to injure, IMO.

[PatsFanNH]

26 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

 

 

If you know Josh, you know he is going to lay it all on the line to move the chains/win the game. 

 

 

 

This right here is utter STUPIDITY! Not you, but thinking like this for a FQB! This has shorten the careers of many good to great QBs because they fail to realize 1 1st down isn’t as important as having them for the next few games or even the next drive!

 

as for you saying the “hit wasn’t necessary” he was trying stop him from making said first down and preserve the win. Was it a dirty hit? Yes! Was there intent? (Shrug) I don’t know.. but to say the hit was not needed shows a lack of football knowledge, he was trying prevent him from falling forward. (Weird thing is I bet they don’t throw the flag if that’s a RB.. those guys get killed running up the middle.)

[50yrpatsfan]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

So... was I wrong about the Tin Foil Hat reference? ? ? ?

 

Angle 1.  It looks Targeted

Angle 2.  It looks like Josh Lowered his head and the 2 helmets met.  

 

Yes.

I'd take it even further, that this was mostly Allen's doing. He had numerous chances to go down before this collision, but decided to go all Earl Campbell to get the first down.

The Bills have their hands full trying to corral this guy, or he's gonna get hurt a lot.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

No. He was just trying to hit him. It was a penalty and he should get a fine but I don't think he was trying to hurt anybody. Stop watching it in slow motion. Watch it at full speed. There's no way he "lifted his head at the last moment to target Allen's head". It was a bang bang play.

 

I'll take some flack for this I'm sure, but I wonder how many of you posters have ever been on a football field. Things happen so fast out there.

It’s awful to play defense in the nfl.  With the way Allen was playing, folks really think the Pats wanted him out?  It ended up being a dirty hit but it looks a million times worse in slow motion.  It’s a physical game and dude is flying to make a play.  I don’t believe that was his intention and he should be fined.  

 

But thats the danger in running the ball for a qb.  It also seems like some karma from some “fans” who wished injury on other players on this board. 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Chris66 said:

No. Allen is still driving forward. Allens crown of his helmet actually hits the side of Jones helmet. If the nfl see it the same way thete wont be a fine. It just a smaller guy trying to stop a bigger one.

oh, Chris.

[Don Otreply]

Yes, it was a purposeful dirty hit, and we should do the same to Brady, as I said in another thread, we should start a go fund me to pay our players fines, we take out Brady and it will end this scourge, and the nfl will start doing what they should do, frankly I’m a bit pissed off.

 

Go Bills!!!

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

I watched this clip over and over, my eyes hurt. If you watch closely Jonathon is aiming for a shoulder pad hit but at the last moment raises his head to hit Josh Allen helmet to helmet.

IMO, its a clear attempt to injure.

 

 

 

 

My blood boils watching this. 

Looked intentional , super unnecessary and just a brutal hit . 

If a fan(s) were too charge the field and go after Jones knees or hurt him in any way , I would have a GoFundMe to take care of his legal fees. I hope someone on Buf goes after Jones in the rematch.

That was a despicable play.. 

First Gronk goes WWE on our young #1 CBs head , then Jones goes after Allen's head.  Wouldn't mind seeing some revenge head shots

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

50 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

He definitely lowers his head and more runs into the defenders helmet, but I think the defender intended to hit him high anyway. He never lowered his pad level and that added with Allen going down was bad. I'm not full tin foil like a lot of people right now because I see DBs do this all the time. Look at the hits on WRs after a missed pass and you will see very similar style hits. DBs generally have the worst tackling technique of any position group. I don't know that anyone fears JA enough to do "sweep the leg" move, especially in this game where he was a turnover machine. 

 

I get what you are saying about DBs tackling technique and agree that I don't think the Pats player was thinking "I need to get Josh Allen out of this game or else we're going to lose" but I do see the hit as illegal and a dirty play on the defenders part.  Allen's head drops because his lower body is being held/tackled by a defender AND he is stretching forward as well as trying to hold onto the ball tightly.

[Jerome007]

I looooooove Josh, but I say...no. A blatant try to physically punish the guy? Even take him out? Of course, it's football. But at real speed, Jones really does turn with his shoulder pad to add to the punishment, as 95% of players would do here, not only to a QB but to a RB or WR or anyone! Does he use his helmet at the last millisecond?  I don't think so. It's not blatant targeting or spearing. 

 

It sucks, I want Allen back ASAP, but that's the risk he took on himself going for 1st down. BTW to those who say he has to tone it down and blablabla, he usually slides or avoids the big contacts really well. This time he went for 1st down as it was needed, and he paid a steep price. But it's not as if he took a stupid risk. Freak incident. And again, when a player is gang tackled and not down yet, defenders rarely hold back on the extra punishment!

Edited September 30, 2019 by Jerome007

[Freddie's Dead]

This was absolutely 100% deliberate.  It's how the Cheats cheat without looking like cheating.  But of course, the NFL will look the other way, no suspensions, the standard CBA fine, etc.  Business as usual for the Cheats.  I'm done with them.  The NFL can kneel down and suck Marcia's dick for all I care.  GOAT my ass.  Cheatin' *****.

[Trogdor]

8 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

 

I get what you are saying about DBs tackling technique and agree that I don't think the Pats player was thinking "I need to get Josh Allen out of this game or else we're going to lose" but I do see the hit as illegal and a dirty play on the defenders part.  Allen's head drops because his lower body is being held/tackled by a defender AND he is stretching forward as well as trying to hold onto the ball tightly.

Definitely dirty. It's long past time to institute a Rugby wrap rule. He is lucky he didn't injure himself by putting his head on the wrong side.

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

 

I get what you are saying about DBs tackling technique and agree that I don't think the Pats player was thinking "I need to get Josh Allen out of this game or else we're going to lose" but I do see the hit as illegal and a dirty play on the defenders part.  Allen's head drops because his lower body is being held/tackled by a defender AND he is stretching forward as well as trying to hold onto the ball tightly.

 

Unfortunately the defender is going high to stop his mass short and the extension for the first. Once joshs head comes down the target area in the chest range nearly disappears. It’s a hit they try to eliminate but will be very difficult to achieve no matter what the punishment. A 15 yard flag there is catastrophic for the patriots.

 

 

[Aireskoi]

I know he should have been ejected, and the offsetting penalty should not have erased the only punishment (but by rule it does).

 

Why bother changing the rules for safety unless it's just for Tommy boy?  NFL loves protecting him.

 

The NFL reduced the threshold for ejection by removing the need for the hit to be "flagrant" in 2018.

 

The player targeted, launched, and hit him in the head with his helmet.  WTF else do we need?

 

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/9/17492612/ncaa-targeting-rule-nfl-comparison

 

Brian McCarthy

 

✔@NFLprguy

 

 

Playing Rule Article 8: It is a foul if a player lowers his head to initiate and make contact with his helmet against an opponent. The player may be disqualified. Applies to any player anywhere on the field. The player may be disqualified.

 

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Late in the preseason, after a bunch of perplexing calls, the NFL made clear that “inadvertent” helmet contact wouldn’t be treated as a penalty.

“For us this is a pretty significant change,” Competition Committee chairman Rick McKay told reporters in announcing the change. “This one technique, we saw so many hits when a player lowered his head and delivered a hit and either hurt himself or the player he was hitting.”

The NFL already prohibited “initiating forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown” of the helmet when outside the tackle box.

In effect, that’s now banned all over the field. The league also got rid of a clause that said players could be disqualified “if the action is flagrant.”

[50yrpatsfan]

32 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

This is the first time I’ve seen this angle of the hit. 

 

I still see him dropping his helmet slightly, but you can also see Allen drop his head slightly too. 

 

This video angle completely exonerates Jones, and shows Allen to be a little too aggressive for his own good. There will be no fine, and there should not have been a penalty either. 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by 50yrpatsfan
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[LB3]

2 minutes ago, 50yrpatsfan said:

This video angle completely exonerates Jones, and shows Allen to be a little too aggressive for his own good. There will be no fine, and there should not have been a penalty either. 

50 year Pats fans don't exist, troll.

[May Day 10]

I dont believe it was completely intentional and malicious.  Moreso careless.  Should have been penalized and probably ejected.  Those are textbook what the NFL is trying to eliminate.  

[buffalo2218]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

That makes no sense.  Now if Allen had been in the pocket and took the hit and not 7 yards downfield running and trying get the first down I could see your point.  This is Allen acting like Cam Newton and getting lit up. (This time illegally) Allen needs to learn to slide to protect himself otherwise he will have a short career. (Like Newton. Who I like as a QB)

Sliding wasn’t an option with a guy behind him pulling him down, had that not been the case you’d have a point