NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 Rating of 125 in the 4th Q. Anointed as Mr. Clutch going into the game yesterday, and we were not able to see what he could’ve done to pull this game out thanks to Greggo tactics? No, not losing any faith over here. Just part of the learning process that comes with going up against the greatest defensive mind our league has ever seen, right? Let’s check back in on this thread to see how it’s aging come say, Week 16?
row_33 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 not at all, he's a young man with a ton of potential has to learn QUICKLY that a few of his Go-to moves ain't going to cut it in the NFL he gets until 2021 to become a star
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Figster said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr QBR and QB Rating aren't the same thing. 1
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Figster said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr You are looking at QBR. The other poster is looking at QB rating. 8 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: He did. He also looked lost for the majority of the same committed some huge turnovers that essentially dug the team into that hole. The fact they they were down just 13-3 at the half is a testament to the awesome performance of the defense. The only thing that dug the team into a hole was a blocked punt. 2
Phil The Thrill Posted September 30, 2019 Author Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes. And one could craft a list - Lee Smith and Andre Roberts? Gore is playing great - so stop running etc I think Belichek is in Daboll’s head and he tries too hard when facing him. Perhaps...maybe the playcalling wasn’t perfect but Daboll wasn’t the reason the Bills lost. This loss is 100% on the shoulders of Josh Allen. In a huge game, he turned in one his worst performances ever as a QB and reverted to the bad habits that we thought were coached out of him. 3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: You are looking at QBR. The other poster is looking at QB rating. The only thing that dug the team into a hole was a blocked punt. The 3 turnovers didn’t help....neither did the sacks he gave up in FG range. Or the times he held onto the ball too long. This was a terrible performance by Allen. Unless he can bounce back, consider me concerned about his future 10 minutes ago, row_33 said: not at all, he's a young man with a ton of potential has to learn QUICKLY that a few of his Go-to moves ain't going to cut it in the NFL he gets until 2021 to become a star I hope so.... but he hasn’t learned this in nearly 2 years since college. He’s making the same mistakes he did at Wyoming
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Perhaps...maybe the playcalling wasn’t perfect but Daboll wasn’t the reason the Bills lost. This loss is 100% on the shoulders of Josh Allen. In a huge game, he turned in one his worst performances ever as a QB and reverted to the bad habits that we thought were coached out of him. The 3 turnovers didn’t help....neither did the sacks he gave up in FG range. Or the times he held onto the ball too long. This was a terrible performance by Allen. Unless he can bounce back, consider me concerned about his future I don't disagree with any of that. Turnovers didn't help. He needs to cut them out. This is quite possibly his worst performance to date. However, the Pats defense is real. Allen is the first QB this year to get a TD on them. Granted other than Ben, the Pats haven't faced any real competition, but even still.
ngbills Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 He is looking a bit like Colin K once the league figured him out. Problem is Allen is only in year 2...hopefully he can learn to be a better decision maker and rely less on being an athlete.
26TrapDraw Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 Here's my issue with Josh. Defense will play elite level ball all year and all Allen needs to do is be efficient and the Bills would have easily won that game . Instead we have a guy who got all fired up and threw mechanics and the fundamentals of being a smart qb out the window for throwing I'll advised balls into double and triple coverage and trying to be big play Charlie. Even though he's only a 23 yr old kid He has a long way to go with his maturation process as a man and especially as a QB. That's this couch experts eyeball assessment.
Albany,n.y. Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) I've lost faith in fans who don't watch football enough to know every QB looks bad at times & in certain games if you nitpick every throw. I wonder how many Patriots fans are worried that Brady is done because he played lousy yesterday. How about the GB fans who must be giving up on Rodgers because when it came down to the final series he couldn't get the job done. Are Jets fans giving up on Darnold because when Allen marched the bills down the field on the winning drive vs the Jets, Darnold couldn't get the job done? Did all of you who were around during Kelly's prime lose faith when he went into KC or Pittsburgh for what seemed like his annual butt kicking? My point is if you watch only 1 QB regularly, you can pretty much lose faith in him no matter who he is. They all are flawed, make what appears to be stupid decisions and do not always get the job done when needed. Do you know why? It's because they are playing against NFL defenses. Yesterday 2 of the NFL's best Ds faced off against each other & both made the opposing QB look bad. That's what happens in the NFL. We don't get to play bad Ds every week. If you start picking apart your QB when he plays one of the best Ds in the league & don't realize those guys get paid big bucks too, you don't understand the NFL. The worst of the bunch are the stat boys who don't understand why the pros look at & break down film rather than just look at a printed piece of paper. Edited October 1, 2019 by Albany,n.y. 2 1
KingBoots8 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 Hell no I haven’t. Josh technically hasn’t even had a seasons worth of games under him as a starter. He’s going to make boneheaded mistakes. He’s going to throw when he shouldn’t. He’s going to learn from the mistakes. I’d rather he get them out of the way now so that in the latter part of the season he gets things going. He played the NFL’s best coach- a defensive coach who is the best at what he does (sadly), and he got some shell shock. Then he came out and punched them in the mouth and scored the first TD they’ve surrendered since 2018. the player I compare him to at this time would probably be Eli Manning- he’s going to make boneheaded decisions and sometimes might lose you a game, but when he turns it on he’s going to put the team on his back and get the job done. It may not be pretty, but if he gets wins that’s what matters most to the franchise. You can’t abandon hope when the kid hasn’t even hit a full season of play. That happened to EJ and he had nowhere near the physical tools Allen has. Let him grow.
dous21 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) maybe not yet but his start to the season hasn't given me as much hope as I thought it would yea he has won us games, but he is also making some braindead plays out there that he really isn't learning from. Idk if that is his fault or the coaching staff for not developing him properly. He needs the hero ball out completely. throwing interceptions like that on 1st downs is alarming for any QB. Edited September 30, 2019 by dous21
Albany,n.y. Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, dous21 said: maybe not yet but his start to the season hasn't given me as much hope as I thought it would yea he has won us games, but he is also making some braindead plays out there that he really isn't learning from. Idk if that is his fault or the coaching staff for not developing him properly. Go back & watch Brett Favre at the same point in their careers. Favre played the same way. I'll take a Brett Favre career out of Josh Allen. 16 minutes ago, jrober38 said: QBR and QB Rating aren't the same thing. Neither is a good measure of what's going on on the field. 1
dous21 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, row_33 said: not at all, he's a young man with a ton of potential has to learn QUICKLY that a few of his Go-to moves ain't going to cut it in the NFL he gets until 2021 to become a star lol this coaching staff has 2 years to show success or they will be out the door. the new staff might want to draft their own QB. If Allen doesn't improve massively this season its going to be "show us you are a franchise QB" or bust next year. Edited September 30, 2019 by dous21
row_33 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, ngbills said: He is looking a bit like Colin K once the league figured him out. Problem is Allen is only in year 2...hopefully he can learn to be a better decision maker and rely less on being an athlete. teams take a closer look at you in your 2nd year than they do for your 1st year they write the book some call it a "sophomore slump" but it's really the opposition putting severe review on the player now they know he is sticking around 13 minutes ago, dous21 said: lol this coaching staff has 2 years to show success or they will be out the door. the new staff might want to draft their own QB. If Allen doesn't improve massively this season its going to be "show us you are a franchise QB" or best next year. Jim Kelly took a 3rd year to begin showing his true worth, even with his semi-pro experience and a lot of great players already in place
ColoradoBills Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Fans are so stupid. The Pats defense has done this to every QB they have played in the last 10 games, and BB's specialty is doing exactly this against young QBs. If it were the Jets or the Giants that did this to JA, I would be worried. This is a giant nothingburger. Josh has shown progression. Unfortunately, everyone takes steps back. That doesn't change the career arc. You sir have the most rational post of this thread. I do love the Minshew II comparisons. My god, when he tears up BBs defense then I lift my head up and say "Whatttt". Allen has to learn to keep his emotions restrained. It's the biggest part of the game he has to learn to control. 1 1
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Question: How many sacks, throwaways and forced bad throws did Allen have yesterday because his receivers didn’t get open? Hint: A lot. Josh needs help, and having two tiny WRs in Brown and Cole isn’t enough. Zay isnt good enough and just doesn’t have “it”, Foster is hurt and was barely in the rotation when helathy, and McKenzie is more of a gadget player. Its imperative Daboll starts involving Knox and Sweeney more, and early along with Yeldon out of the backfield (until singletary is back). Daboll has to be better too and help Josh out. No coincidence that we scored our only TD this week, and only TD scored against the Pats all year when we did that. Also, it’s time to bring up the Duke. I don’t give a damn who we lose to do it, but it has to happen. Other WRs after Brown and Cole are producing pretty much nothing, so he can’t be any worse but could be a good big target and asset in redzone and third downs. We need a possession WR who can be open in tight coverage. Edited September 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1
Socal-805 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was at the game Sunday and there was 1 reason the Bills lost the game. They lost the game for one reason - Josh Allen. He was absolutely putrid at QB. I’m a big fan of Allen but he was THE reason why we lost. We’re starting to get to the point where you can’t use the whole “lack of experience” excuses for Allen. For all the progress be seemed to make, we still see him revert back to the traits (holding onto the ball, poor footwork passing up short routes, inaccuracies) from college. We saw on Sunday that the thing he does well, scrambling, leaves his open for huge cheap shots to the head. He also doesn’t seem to be elevating the offense either. Take a look at how much better NYG has been since Daniel Jones took over last week. Or how much better Cleveland was behind Baker and not Tyrod. Or to a MUCH lesser extent Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville. Allen has struggled to generate much more than 20 points per game. So have you lost faith in Josh Allen? If you haven’t lost faith, what give you hope that he will eventually start elevating the offense? I’m completely on the fence, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. I am pretty sure you will get mostly positve responses on this board, however I am pretty concerned and I can guarentee you, the Bills Front Office is also concerned: how can you NOT be. Allen is on pace after 4 games to compete 12 TDs and 24 INT's. That is a 1:2 ration in the wrogn direction, and almost identifcal to last year's rookie stats.
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Neither is a good measure of what's going on on the field. I don't agree. They're not perfect but they're not bad either. Allen ranks at the bottom of the NFL in both categories. Looking at the guys ranked all around him (or just above him since he's near the bottom), there's no one who I'd think is a legit franchise QB.
Socal-805 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 5 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Not even close. If you were at the game and couldn’t feel and see that Josh was bringing them back, than you either haven’t watched a lot of football or don’t want Josh to be the answer. a lot of the great quarterbacks play terrible games and then win them in the end. That’s what Josh was getting ready to do before the cheap shot. So you're not concerned abot his 1 : 2 TD to INT ration again this year? He's on pace after 4 games to throw 24 picks.... That's even worse than E.J. Manual bad.
Nick the Greek Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 Josh Allen is the man and a winner. Hoping he plays against the Titans.
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