Pokebball Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Oh please, the defense is one of the best in the league. New England doesn’t lose in foxboro for a reason. They are one of the best in the league. They had a pretty poor game yesterday. No reason to defend that. 1
whorlnut Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: This has been my problem with McDermott's conservative approach. He thinks his defense is better than it is and he thinks he needs to protect his young QB more than he should. That's a bad recipe for a one 'n done playoff scenario. Exactly! Until McD stops being hell bent on being content to let his defense finish games with so much time on the clock, we will continue to lose games like this. Allen just came off the beautiful deep td to Brown and they called three straight running plays. Why? Because McD thought it was enough to win. Let the defense shut them down. 1
Boatdrinks Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: Exactly! Until McD stops being hell bent on being content to let his defense finish games with so much time on the clock, we will continue to lose games like this. Allen just came off the beautiful deep td to Brown and they called three straight running plays. Why? Because McD thought it was enough to win. Let the defense shut them down. Pretty sure Daboll is calling the plays, though. Not sure how much McD has his hands in that, but it should be very little. If McD is not trusting his OC enough to delegate the responsibility to him, then he’s unlikely to get a high caliber OC in Buffalo. Anyway, the lack of aggression on offense is not good. They don’t have a running attack that can take control when the opposing D knows what’s coming.
london_bills Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Daboll doesn't know how to call plays for a young QB who needs to get into some kinda rhythm. There's your explanation Please make the argument. I don't see how you could reasonably make it, but I'd like to hear it if you think you can. It's quite simple really. Just look at all the plays that are left on the field by allen. Watch the Allen presser. He admits to being jittery. Swap QBs and we win the game.
Foxx Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, london_bills said: ... Swap QBs and we win the game. 2
london_bills Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 'But he also made throws I don't know if other QBs could make, like that Brown TD pass falling backwards with defenders in his face.' Yes. We know this, Allen is exciting. The truth is he is not making the easy throws and we are held back by this. Constant 3 and outs in the first half cost us. He plays overwhelmed and misses everything easy in the first half. These things have to be acknowledged. Yes we are 10-5 but look at the QBs who have beaten the patriots this season. Mahomes, Watson, Jackson. We needed a performance like that to help towards beating the Pats. When he started to connect Shock HORROR we were in the lead. I can see where we could be with a better QB, sorry. 8 minutes ago, Foxx said: Haha Of course! Like I say, I can see where we would be with a better QB. Just imagine 10 more completions in that game. Edited December 22, 2019 by london_bills
Foxx Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, london_bills said: ... Just imagine 10 more completions in that game. then it would have been a different game. in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda, the whole basis is thrown for a loop. again, that is not how any of this works. Edited December 22, 2019 by Foxx 1
london_bills Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: then it would have been a different game. in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda, the whole basis is thrown for a loop. again, that is not how any of this works. Its not really about turning back time of course. It's a discussion about what is holding this team back by comparing to other teams.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, uticaclub said: He overthrows that deep ball to Brown if he isn't hit on the throw That so, Miss Cleo? 2
CincyBillsFan Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Seriously. Another VERY important point to consider: this is the 3rd time in his career that Allen has faced the same defense twice in a season. Each time, he's been markedly better than the first matchup. That's an enormous deal in terms of development. When DCs can't stay ahead of you, even as a guy with only a season or two of experience, that's a great sign. He missed a few throws yesterday, and took 2 bad sacks. He also made up for it with 2 elite-level throws that resulted in TDs, and had another "animal" sneak that he had no business converting. The team went into the toughest venue in the game and came within one play of tying the game against the best D in the league. This despite playing against the opponent and the officials. He's got a ways to go; no question. If people see significant development that inspires serious optimism, then they aren't watching. This is such an important point! The REAL test of a young QB is whether the DC's can figure them out and shut them down. How often do you see a guy come out and play lights out for a few weeks & then it all comes crashing down around them as the DC's figure out their weaknesses. There are several examples of it happening just this year. Allen's ability to improve on what needs improving is very encouraging. After last season he needed to develop his short & intermediate level passing accuracy and he did. He also had to learn how to read defenses and get to his 2nd & 3rd reads and he has. While focusing on these things, he let his long ball game get away from him. So what happened? He focused on that and we can see the results the last few games where he is throwing a much better deep pass. Allen's ability to IMPROVE every aspect of his game is huge. It's a defining quality of a young QB. Just look at how much better Allen played against NE yesterday versus the first game. Is he there yet? Hell no, but why would folks doubt that he's going to get there? If he's proven one thing since he left Wyoming is that he's willing to put in the hard work and has the physical & mental tools to keep improving his game. He improved his game from college to the Senior Bowl. He then improved his game from the Senior Bowl to the Pro tryout camps before the draft. In his rookie season Allen improved his game from before to after his injury. He then improved his game from the end of last season to the start of this season. And he improved his game from early this season to now. IMO you have to be blind or irrationally stubborn not to see this. Allen continues to get better. 2 hours ago, uticaclub said: He overthrows that deep ball to Brown if he isn't hit on the throw This is either trolling or a prime example of Allen Derangement Syndrome! 1
CincyBillsFan Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, uticaclub said: For everyone complaining about a lack of screen game, have you thought that maybe Allen can't throw a screen pass. Do you watch the games? On almost every screen pass Allen has NO CHOICE but to throw the ball into the ground to avoid completing a pass for a 5 yard loss. It's clear to anyone with eyes that our O-line struggles to get out in front of the screen and to block in space. There is absolutely zero evidence that Allen can't throw the screen pass. On the rare occasions where there's been room for a screen Allen has hit it EVERY time. On a couple of the 10 - 15 yard gains off the screen we had holding penalties that brought the play back. By my recollection only one screen pass has worked all season and that was the 49 yard one to Singleterry against the Redskins. In fact the inability to execute screen passes, which is not on Allen, has hurt Allen's completion %. In almost every game Allen has to throw 1 or 2 balls at the feet of the RB because the D is all over him. Those should be easy completions that pump up Allen's stats. More importantly successful screen passes neutralize those all out blitz packages thrown at the Bills. This is a serious deficiency with our offense and I don't see it as Allen's fault in the slightest.
Foxx Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, london_bills said: Its not really about turning back time of course. It's a discussion about what is holding this team back by comparing to other teams. then that should be your argument. not a presumption of what would have happened.
HappyDays Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) I will point out that Allen is one of 3 QBs that had a 100+ passer rating against the Patriots this year. The other two were Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson. Allen is the only one to do it in Foxborough this season. It's unfortunate he started off so slow because this was a winnable game. Considering the opponent I'm happy with the performance overall. We need a top tier receiver and probably a RT if we want to take the next step. Edited December 22, 2019 by HappyDays 3
london_bills Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: then that should be your argument. not a presumption of what would have happened. It's natural to ask the question 'would this result be different if those open receivers were hit.'
Foxx Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, london_bills said: It's natural to ask the question 'would this result be different if those open receivers were hit.' again, it is a bit illogical. if any play had changed in the course of the game, the subsequent action would have changed as well. it is a non starter, you can never know with any certainty what the outcome would have been. 1
thebandit27 Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, london_bills said: It's natural to ask the question 'would this result be different if those open receivers were hit.' Better question: would the entire offense be different if they let the kid play QB instead of managing the playmaker out of him? 2 1
london_bills Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Foxx said: again, it is a bit illogical. if any play had changed in the course of the game, the subsequent action would have changed as well. it is a non starter, you can never know with any certainty what the outcome would have been. Sure. And this is a little bit too intellectual. More completions is never a bad thing. You are going to advance across the field. With that way of thinking you can never know if a missed endzone throw would have made a difference to a game if it was completed. The missed throw to knox in the endzone was an example of alot that happens with Allen. Its not rocket science to think you are better of in the grand scheme of things for throwing and catching that for a touchdown. 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Better question: would the entire offense be different if they let the kid play QB instead of managing the playmaker out of him? How is it a better question? It's another good question! That's the problem I've got, they can both be true
billsfan1959 Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, london_bills said: How is it a better question? It's another good question! That's the problem I've got, they can both be true There are a lot of legitimate points that can be made about what might have affected the outcome of a game. Yet, you always pick the one that puts Allen at fault...
Foxx Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, london_bills said: With that way of thinking you can never know if a missed endzone throw would have made a difference to a game if it was completed. correct and exactly what i am saying, you can never know with any amount of certainty in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda. 9 minutes ago, london_bills said: The missed throw to knox in the endzone was an example of alot that happens with Allen. Its not rocket science to think you are better of in the grand scheme of things for throwing and catching that for a touchdown. lol, this is an altogether different argument. almost time to go enjoy some Sunday football, cheers Edited December 22, 2019 by Foxx
london_bills Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: There are a lot of legitimate points that can be made about what might have affected the outcome of a game. Yet, you always pick the one that puts Allen at fault... Yes I usually do that's is accurate. In my opinion Daboll is an easier and trendy criticism. He should be critized but I think Allen gets more of a pass because he is popular. 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: correct and exactly what i am saying, you can never know with any amount of certainty in the land of shoulda/woulda/coulda. lol, this is an altogether different argument. almost time to go enjoy some Sunday football, cheers Your attitude comes across as just 'accept things the way they are.' No. I expect better.
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