SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: His guys are wide open because they are too worried about Jackson taking off with the football on top of the excellent run game they already have even without him. That moves defenders out of the way. Daboll schemes guys that get open by a step. Around the league guys are in busted freaking coverage. Half of Jacksons yards against the Bills happened on ONE play because of busted coverage. That happens all game for him by weaker defenses that cant pull off the what we can. Exactly they are too scared of Lamar and his guys get wide open for easy tosses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, jrober38 said: Another misrepresentation. My argument was that if you want a QB, the math says you should go after the #1 QB in the draft. I haven't check since we picked Allen, but guys who go #1 overall work out around 60-70% of the time. On the flip side, guys picked #2 to #32 overall, work out around 30% of the time. It was an argument based on probability. At the time we needed a QB, and if you're going to try and get one, do whatever you can to make it happen in an attempt to improve your odds to a much higher probability than picking someone later in the first round. I thought Winston was a pretty good prospect. I was wrong. I can live with that, but don't mislead the reasoning behind why I said it would be a good idea to trade up. The whole rational was that if you're going to draft a QB, draft the best QB in that draft class. So then instead of getting Allen we should have traded the farm to go up and get Sam Darnold then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: So then instead of getting Allen we should have traded the farm to go up and get Sam Darnold then. oh please no!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, jrober38 said: I don't get the need to tear down our entire team to build one guy up into something he isn't. In this thread alone, our elite defense has been down played, our receivers have been described as some of the worst in the NFL, our tight ends have been described as useless players who can't catch, our line has been down played. Additionally, the soon to be MVP has been described by numerous people as a one trick pony who wouldn't be able to produce 21 ppg in our offense. As a rookie, he led the Ravens to over 29 points per game in his six games as the starter, but some how he wouldn't be able to come close 21 points if he played here. It's all so bizarre. False 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: You clearly don't understand what the word "fact" means. You keep confusing facts with your personal opinions. The Bills are 10-4 and have clinched a playoff spot in week 15. The only reason we're not considered Super Bowl contenders because our offense is so poor. and yet Allen is 6th in TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: So then instead of getting Allen we should have traded the farm to go up and get Sam Darnold then. No, Darnold went #3 overall. Should have gotten Mayfield 1 hour ago, Groin said: Because internet. I guess? Keeps me from gnawing my knuckles about the Pats game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No, Darnold went #3 overall. Should have gotten Mayfield Keeps me from gnawing my knuckles about the Pats game True but I thought that Darnold was suppose to be the consensus best pre draft. Maybe that was Rosen who was the "most pro ready" In any case, it wasn't Lamar and I highly doubt JRobber was banging the table for him back then. Edited December 18, 2019 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 It’s OK to think both Jackson and Allen are good QBs. It’s OK to acknowledge Jackson is having a better, MVP- like, season. It’s not OK to cherry pick stats and it’s not OK to stubbornly stick to your Allen is bad screed because that’s what you thought before he was drafted and now you’re butt hurt because he’s proving you wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No, Darnold went #3 overall. Should have gotten Mayfield Keeps me from gnawing my knuckles about the Pats game Seriously. I'm going to enjoy this run, and the next one. I've never been a guy who shows up at a message board and rants about how much money he'd spent to watch the likes of a Saint Doug or a Jauron or a Gailey or a Rex Ryan fight their ways to a 7-9 season. Or worse. This is something different, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Does this team have flaws? Yup. But could they win the SB this year or next? ... This hasn't been part of the conversation 'til recently. But it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 7 hours ago, jrober38 said: This is what I don't get. What are we asking Allen to do that Jackson can't do? I legitimately don't think you've watched Lamar Jackson very much. He's on the Ravens if you have NFL Gamepass and need to go back and see what their offense looks like. 7 hours ago, jrober38 said: I view Jackson's playing style as being much more sustainable than Allen's. Jackson rarely receives big hits. He's extremely smart in the way he runs. Allen gets teed up all the time when he runs. When linebackers and safeties see him in the open field, they often go for the kill shot. Guess I was right... you don't watch Lamar Jackson play very much at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Guess I was right... you don't watch Lamar Jackson play very much at all How many times has he been hurt? How many times has Allen been hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: What about Russel Wilson? He plays in a completely different offense then Jackson does. If anything Wilson's use of the run, even as a young player, is far closer to Allen's style then Jackson's. Do you actually watch the Ravens play offense? It is a truly unique platform in what they ask their QB to do. Oh and for the record, Wilson is a prime example of how a smart QB runs. Allen needs to learn from what Wilson does. wilson and allen's running styles are nothing alike lmao. Murray is more like Wilson. Allen runs like a full back and takes unnecessary sacks, he has way higher chance of getting injured than all the QB's being named here. size does not matter, it is the way you protect yourself from hits and how good you are at avoiding hits. Allen is pretty awful at avoiding big hits, Kyler Murray is one of the best in the league at it. Look at Cam Newton...took hits for 3-4 years and is now crippled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 hours ago, jrober38 said: I was a Tyrod is way better than EJ Manuel guy. You're a guy who really likes to use the word "Elite" with QBs. It's always struck me some of the QBs you used to call "Elite" over at BBMB, from Josh Freeman when he was with the Bucs to RG3 to other guys who have fizzled out of the league. It's okay because we all get these things wrong--I know I have... just ask everyone else--but when you are so arrogantly and blatantly ignoring absolutely any context in the play of the QB leading the team you supposedly love, it's just head-scratching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: wilson and allen's running styles are nothing alike lmao. Murray is more like Wilson. Allen runs like a full back and takes unnecessary sacks, he has way higher chance of getting injured than all the QB's being named here. size does not matter, it is the way you protect yourself from hits and how good you are at avoiding hits. Allen is pretty awful at avoiding big hits, Kyler Murray is one of the best in the league at it. Look at Cam Newton...took hits for 3-4 years and is now crippled. Exactly. Let's look at their career injuries: Josh Allen 2015 - broken collarbone, missed 4 games 2017 - sprained AC joint, missed 2 games 2018 - sprained UCL, missed 4 games 2019 - concussion, missed 0 games Lamar Jackson 2015 - sprained ankle, missed 1 game Lamar Jackson has run the ball 961 times over the past 5 years, and has missed one game due to a mildly sprained ankle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Exactly. Let's look at their career injuries: Josh Allen 2015 - broken collarbone, missed 4 games 2017 - sprained AC joint, missed 2 games 2018 - sprained UCL, missed 4 games 2019 - concussion, missed 0 games Lamar Jackson 2015 - sprained ankle, missed 1 game Lamar Jackson has run the ball 961 times over the past 5 years, and has missed one game due to a mildly sprained ankle. Why are you listing past injuries? Their argument isn't that past injuries will lead to lamar jackson getting hurt. It is that his style of play will (not has) get him hurt. Their past injuries are irrelevant, don't be obtuse in your medicore troll job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 hours ago, jrober38 said: I don't view the Ravens as being significantly more talented than the Bills. Our defense is better than theirs. Our offensive personnel isn't a lot worse. They're better at tight end and have two premiere linemen, but I think we have better receivers. The Bills have a great defense. So do the Ravens. The Bills might be better in terms of yards and points allowed, but you're missing a critical point, especially for a young QB on the other side... The Ravens have scored 5 defensive TDs. The Bills have scored ZERO defensive TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Why are you listing past injuries? Their argument isn't that past injuries will lead to lamar jackson getting hurt. It is that his style of play will (not has) get him hurt. Their past injuries are irrelevant, don't be obtuse in your medicore troll job. His style of play has clearly shown he avoids injuries. 961 carries since starting at Louisville, and he's missed one game. This argument that Jackson is going to start getting injured a bunch is nonsensical. Edited December 19, 2019 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I’m pretty sure that there are strict limitations under the CBA on when a team can offer a rookie an improved deal, and how much of an improvement it can be. A player is eligible for an extension after the third year of their rookie contract is complete. http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/front-office/2017/06/26/art-rookie-extension-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JohninMinn. said: There was a baseball player named Chuck Knoblauch who played 2nd base for the Twins and Yankees. There was a point in his career where he could not make a simple throw to first base. Total mental block. He threw in the general direction and hoped. I think that's where Josh's head is at on the deep ball. A deep ball is a bomb with air under it ,not the laser deeps he hits with Brown coming back to the ball. Needs intensive therapy. I understand your point, but I hope to never see those two names on the same page again! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, jrober38 said: His style of play has clearly shown he avoids injuries. 961 carries since starting at Louisville, and he's missed one game. This argument that Jackson is going to start getting injured a bunch is nonsensical. I avoid these QB comparison threads like the plague but was bored so I read it. Seriously jrob, enjoy the week. We are in the playoffs. There is a whole off season. I truly mean that as a fellow Bills fan. FWIW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 hours ago, jrober38 said: Dawson Knox is 6'4. Duke Williams is 6'3. Robert Foster is 6'2. Whar's your point? The vast majority of their receiver targets go to Snead and Brown, who are 5'11 and 5'8 (John Brown is 5'11 and Beasley is 5'8). Stop trolling. The other poster just included a ton of Ravens WRs and TEs who are constantly on the field and consistently targeted and you counter for the Bills with one guy Allen desperately wants to throw to but who can't catch the football and 2 other guys who are rarely on the field. What are you even doing? Do you honestly think you're making any valid points? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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