Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[C.Biscuit97]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

They also drafted Andrews after they took Hurst--who was drafted 8 picks before Lamar.

 

Baltimore spent 1st round picks on pass catchers for Lamar in consecutive drafts, and backed it up by taking Andrews in the 3rd and signing Ingram.

 

^More for clarification on their investment in the skill positions than anything else.

Yup and we added 2 good priced FA wrs, had a young 2nd rounder who sucked, Gore, Kroft, a whole new oline, and Singletary/ Knox. Both teams have tried to help their young qbs as they should. 

Just now, ILBillsfan said:

Jackson legs are the reason guys are wide open as they lack discipline.   The TD pass to Hurst was a perfect example one slip up by the safeties getting caught looking in the backfield.

 

It's stupid crazy how much it is happening this year.  Good for him but eventually his legs will go poof and then we shall see if he can play QB  I say the inaccuracy will become very telling.  It's not an if it's a when will his legs get an injury that slows him down.

Can’t you say the same for Allen? They are very similar qbs at this point. 

1 minute ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

This comment made me think and then look at the best tight ends. They're all generally 3rd round or later. Scouts really seem to struggle with this. Drafting a tight end in the first round looks like the worst thing a team could do actually.

I love tight ends (?) and always want to draft one high. But you’re right. Rarely do 1st round ones live up to the hype.  

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree.

 

I think Brown is a very good receiver and Beasley is fine in the slot.

 

Brown is way better than anything the Ravens have.

 

Hmmm...compare Brown's stats with Jackson at QB last year to his stats with Allen at QB this year and get back to us...

 

Also, aren't you the same guy that said that Daboll schemes our WRs open but they drop the ball?

 

Is there any consistency in your takes aside from "BAD JOSH"?

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Chicken Egg. He doesn't pass outside so his WR's don't make plays. Watch some of his games, even against the Jets (whom are terrible and are starting Betty White at CB) his passes were all middle routes or posts. 

 

 

Let me know if you ever write a book! lol

 

 

Example: Jets game- He threw more when the game was done than he did before.

 

 

Right, but with two players who have always played together, it's impossible to determine who is "making" who. Andrews has had some great catches that have bailed out Lamar, that is for sure. 

 

 

Quarter: 

1- 88

2- 90

3- 103

4- 88 

 

Half: 

1st: 178

2nd: 191

 

Doesn't fit the "they stop passing later in games when they have the lead" idea. 

 

Interesting. What’s Allen’s out of curiosity?

[Pokebball]

9 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't view the Ravens as being significantly more talented than the Bills. 

 

Our defense is better than theirs. 

 

Our offensive personnel isn't a lot worse. They're better at tight end and have two premiere linemen, but I think we have better receivers. 

Significant is a squishy word.  I don't think the Bills defense is significantly better than the Ravens  

[ILBillsfan]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Can’t you say the same for Allen? They are very similar qbs at this point.   

No Allen is better pocket guy than Jackson. Hardly similar besides they both do run but the difference and threat lvl is incredibly different.  If you can not see that then I'm sorry I have to explain it to you.

 

Allen foot got banged up in the Ravens game and Josh was forced to not be mobile in that game hence like four rushes that game.

 

Jackson being forced to pass only would be a disaster for the Ravens.  

[billsfan1959]

49 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

This is what I don't get.

 

 

Don't sell yourself short. It is apparent there is a LOT you don't get....

[Pokebball]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Interesting. What’s Allen’s out of curiosity?

I'm guessing Allen's is going to spike up in the last 7 minutes of the 4th quarter  

16 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree.

 

I think Brown is a very good receiver and Beasley is fine in the slot.

 

Brown is way better than anything the Ravens have.

I've come to understand that Brown and Beasley are fine smurfs

[whatdrought]

55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Interesting. What’s Allen’s out of curiosity?

 

1: 67

2: 77

3: 57

4: 54

 

First half: 144

Second Half: 111

 

That's intriguing to me.. Really makes me question our Run pass splits.

 

EDIT: These are completions only- my bad. 

 

Borrowed from @BuffaloHokie13

 

Quarter:

1- 111

2- 129

3- 99

4- 91

 

Half:

1st: 240

2nd: 190

 

Edited December 18, 2019 by whatdrought

[section122]

21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because they are never behind, Jackson doesn’t really get to pad his stats every game.  And he is the biggest reason their run game is so good. 

 

I don't disagree with either of these statements.  However they include nuance which the poster I responded to either intentionally or not is ignoring.  Lamar is lights out this year and he is still behind Tannehill in all of those categories I listed.  Stats lie and there is so much more to them then the gross numbers his argument lacks that nuance.

 

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not true Doc.  He was 2nd in passing attempts and led the nfl in tds his 2nd year as a starter.  

 

I swear I'm not stalking you  I only am responding because I looked up Brady's numbers yesterday...

 

In his second year Brady's numbers looked like this:

62.1 comp%, 3764 yards passing, 6.3 ypa, 28 tds, 14 ints, and a rating of 85.7

 

Josh's second year (some are projected):

59.3 comp%, 3287 yards passing, 6.7 ypa, 20 tds, 10 ints, and a rating of 84.6

if you include rushing 3820 yards, 30 tds

 

Clearly still some room to grow as a passer but overall production is pretty close.  In his 4th year starting Brady really came into his own backslid a little in his 6th and then became the Brady we all know is his 7th year starting.  That was the 18-1 year where he had his best weapons.  

[Pokebball]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

1: 67

2: 77

3: 57

4: 54

 

First half: 144

Second Half: 111

 

That's intriguing to me.. Really makes me question our Run pass splits.

 

Not sure where you're getting this info.  It's interesting and telling.  Is there anyway for you to get Allen's numbers in the 2nd half of the 4th quarter?  While I love the 4th quarter drives to win games, I kinda really do hate them for that same reason.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

Not sure where you're getting this info.  It's interesting and telling.  Is there anyway for you to get Allen's numbers in the 2nd half of the 4th quarter?  While I love the 4th quarter drives to win games, I kinda really do hate them for that same reason.

 

Here's another point I'd like to make:

 

There's money downs (3rd/4th)

Money quarters (4th)

and money quarters of the season (4th).

 

To my untrained eye:

Josh is clutch on 3rd and 4th downs.

Clutch in the 4th quarter.

And has been clutch in the final quarter of both his seasons. (as an aside: remember when the concern brigade was screeching that we were going to lose ALL of the games against dallas/balt/schittsburgh and NE? I do. Don't they look a bit foolish at the moment?)

 

That tells you much of what you need to know about him.

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

23 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Quarter: 

1- 88

2- 90

3- 103

4- 88 

 

Half: 

1st: 178

2nd: 191

 

Doesn't fit the "they stop passing later in games when they have the lead" idea. 

Compared to Allen who looks like this:

Quarter:

1- 111

2- 129

3- 99

4- 91

 

Half:

1st: 240

2nd: 190

 

And yes, Allen missed a 4th Quarter. By the averages you could add 7 to his 4th quarter and second half tallies.

[Pokebball]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Here's another point I'd like to make:

 

There's money downs (3rd/4th)

Money quarters (4th)

and money quarters of the season (4th).

 

To my untrained eye:

Josh is clutch on 3rd and 4th downs.

Clutch in the 4th quarter.

And has been clutch in the final quarter of both his seasons. (as an aside: remember when the concern brigade was screeching that we were going to lose ALL of the games against dallas/balt/schittsburgh and NE? I do. Don't they look a bit foolish at the moment?)

 

That tells you much of what you need to know about him.

 

I've been meaning to ask you since joining this board.  Does your name reference Winslow AZ?  Have you been there?  I've driven by a dozen times, always assuming it's more tourist trap than anything else.  The Eagles have always been one of my favs and I think I've talked myself into stopping the next time I'm on Route 66.  Is it worth the stop?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

I've been meaning to ask you since joining this board.  Does your name reference Winslow AZ?  Have you been there?  I've driven by a dozen times, always assuming it's more tourist trap than anything else.  The Eagles have always been one of my favs and I think I've talked myself into stopping the next time I'm on Route 66.  Is it worth the stop?

 

Nope. Winslow Twp, NJ.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Do you have a breakdown of their passing attempts by half?  Lamar threw a bunch of late tds against the Jets but he was insanely efficient and they weren’t throwing it a ton. 

 

They never throw it a ton, that's why Jackson averages 17.5 attempts/game and 206 ypg. 

I was responding to the assertion that he never has the chance to pad his stats because they're usually ahead.  I don't, but I think he throws a consistent # times between halves (maybe actually a bit more yardage in the second half because teams sometimes sell out to stop the run and the short passing game, then he zings them deep.) 

 

But he'll still be passing for TDs when they're ahead.

[Pokebball]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Nope. Winslow Twp, NJ.

 

One of my favorite pics

[Teddy KGB]

42 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

In Jackson's defense, he has some of the weakest outside receivers in the NFL.

 

This is a spicy take.  

 

The guy only has 5 wideouts and 2 tight ends to throw to. 

 

Youre trying too hard and bringing in the fake news now. 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I'm guessing Allen's is going to spike up in the last 7 minutes of the 4th quarter  

I've come to understand that Brown and Beasley are fine smurfs

 

Beasley was 1 for 6 targets on Sunday night. 

Two of the targets were not catchable balls - one batted, one off target. 

One of them he 100% should have gotten.

One of them was a ball he got both hands on and a taller WR would have caught.

 

John Brown is Truth - he's a legit WR - but he has struggled to get open against physical DB play that slows him and knocks him off route, and struggled to make contested catches that some top guys pull in.

 

The Ravens did decide to move on from him in favor of drafting Marquise Brown.  I don't think they would have let John Brown walk and spent a first round pick on a guy if they thought Brown was just as good or better.

 

56 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

That's one investment strategy. Another is to take the sure thing and bank the dividends every year. 

Do you think the Ravens would have 12 guys in the Pro Bowl if they weren't 12-2 and the leading scoring offense in the NFL?

 

The Pro Bowl has become way too much of a popularity contest populated largely by players from teams who get late games, night games, and press.

So No, but what's that got to say to anything?

[Pokebball]

54 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

That's one investment strategy. Another is to take the sure thing and bank the dividends every year. 

 

Do you think the Ravens would have 12 guys in the Pro Bowl if they weren't 12-2 and the leading scoring offense in the NFL?

The Bills were the only 10 win team with only one selection!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

John Elway's career comp % is 56.9. 

 

Only 3 seasons of 16 did he have a # higher that 60%   

 

63.2, 62.1 and 61.6