Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I don't think it's silly, you want the opposing teams defense to at least respect that aspect, and come playoff time you might need that part of the passing game to actually work. Says the guy who thinks that a RB playing QB is a better QB at this point.
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Says the guy who thinks that a RB playing QB is a better QB at this point. I never said I wanted Lamar Jackson. But you can't deny he's having success. I wanted Sam Darnold and then Rosen, Jackson was not on my list, because I agree with the RB playing QB part of it.
Ennjay Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: This is a team that won 6 games last year, with a completely new offense, a young QB in his 2nd year, still lacking all of the pieces they are looking for (as they are still building), and a team that most people picked to not even make the playoffs this year. I'm really encouraged by JA's 4Q performances for reasons beginning with Yogi's timeless and perfect observation that 90% of this game (any game FWIW) is half mental. Listen to JA and watch him at pressers. He's not a savvy, poised long-timer like a Brady or an Eli or even a Fitz. He's still a big excited kid who's happy to be here. It wasn't that long ago he was at the U of Wyoming, where he was not playing in front of packed houses at the Big House or the Horseshoe or Jerry's World or whatever they've got in the SEC for crowd nutziness (and I say this with respect for the SEC). I've worried in games like NE this year that the moments are too big for him and he's not emotionally ready at the start -- he's too keyed up. He's got great talent and he really can play this game well. By the 4Q he seems to be settled and therefore he plays his best. The Bills are ahead of schedule. (We got fooled by making the playoffs in Year 1 of the current regime; what was supposed to be a teardown year to clear out deadwood was the accidental playoff year thanks to Cinci, so so much of the teardown got delayed or deferred.) There was also the dead money salary cap issue.) In the progression from (1) just plain bad (Miami, Washington?) to (2) tough out (what people thought Tennessee would be? or what Atlanta would be?) to (3) playoff contender (Seattle? Dallas?) to (4) high expectations (Pittsburgh, realistic or not this year?) to (5) top tier/elite (NE? KC?), I thought this year's team would be somewhere between (2) and (3) with the jump to (4)/(5) in '20, but with the development of the D things came faster. Edited October 21, 2019 by Ennjay
billsfan1959 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I don't think it's silly, you want the opposing teams defense to at least respect that aspect, and come playoff time you might need that part of the passing game to actually work. It is silly. The deep pass makes up such a small percentage of passes. The way you and some other posters go on, it's as if Allen is abysmall at getting the ball down field. Let's look at the actual small percentage of attempts that comprise 40+ completions - and where Allen stands on both 20+ and 40+: Percentage of pass attempts that are completions of 20+ yards: (With minimum of 150 attempts) 1. Patrick Mahomes 12.86 2. Matthew Stafford 12.84 3. Russell Wilson 12.60 4. Aaron Rodgers 12.4 5. Tom Brady 12.28 6. Dak Prescott 11.76 7. Lamar Jackson 11.62 8. Gardner Minshew 11.50 9. Jimmy Garoppolo 11.37 10. Baker Mayfield 11.11 11. Jameis Winston 10.90 12. Philip Rivers 10.50 13. Deshaun Watson10.21 14. Marcus Mariota 10.06 15. Josh Allen 10.05 Percentage of pass attempts that are completions of 40+ yards: (With minimum of 150 attempts) 1.Patrick Mahomes .041 2. Marcus Mariota .037 3. Kirk Cousins .031 4. Dak Prescott .029 5. Aaron Rodgers .028 6. Russell Wilson .026 7. Deshaun Watson .025 8. Lamar Jackson .023 9. Jameis Winston .022 10. Joe Flacco .021 11. Carson Wentz .020 12. Baker Mayfield .020 13. Kyler Murray .019 14. Matthew Stafford .018 15. Andy Dalton .017 16. Daniel Jones .017 17. Josh Allen .015 Edited October 21, 2019 by billsfan1959 2
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: It is silly. The deep pass makes up such a small percentage of passes. The way you and some other posters go on, it's as if Allen is abysmall at getting the ball down field. Let's look at the actual small percentage of attempts that comprise 20+ and 40+ completions - and where Allen stands: Percentage of pass attempts that are completions of 20+ yards: (With minimum of 150 attempts) 1. Patrick Mahomes 12.86 2. Matthew Stafford 12.84 3. Russell Wilson 12.60 4. Aaron Rodgers 12.4 5. Tom Brady 12.28 6. Dak Prescott 11.76 7. Lamar Jackson 11.62 8. Gardner Minshew 11.50 9. Jimmy Garoppolo 11.37 10. Baker Mayfield 11.11 11. Jameis Winston 10.90 12. Philip Rivers 10.50 13. Deshaun Watson10.21 14. Marcus Mariota 10.06 15. Josh Allen 10.05 Percentage of pass attempts that are completions of 24+ yards: (With minimum of 150 attempts) 1.Patrick Mahomes .041 2. Marcus Mariota .037 3. Kirk Cousins .031 4. Dak Prescott .029 5. Aaron Rodgers .028 6. Russell Wilson .026 7. Deshaun Watson .025 8. Lamar Jackson .023 9. Jameis Winston .022 10. Joe Flacco .021 11. Carson Wentz .020 12. Baker Mayfield .020 13. Kyler Murray .019 14. Matthew Stafford .018 15. Andy Dalton .017 16. Daniel Jones .017 17. Josh Allen .015 What I find interesting on those lists is Mahomes on top and Allen on bottom. If defenses know Allen sucks at the long ball, it might make it easier to take away other aspects of the offense due to not having to worry about being beaten deep.
prissythecat Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said: No, having to perform 4th qtr. comebacks in virtually every game, even against the worst team in football, is not only not a complete game, it is not sustainable. Makes me think of this famous thread from our 2011 season:
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said: No, having to perform 4th qtr. comebacks in virtually every game, even against the worst team in football, is not only not a complete game, it is not sustainable. What are Tom Brady's 4th QRT comebacks #'s. Seriously man. This is a good thing 5 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 7 Game-Winning Drives Tyrod Taylor in 7 - 8 or is it 9 seasons 4 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 5 Game-Winning Drives Edited October 21, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost
billsfan1959 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: What I find interesting on those lists is Mahomes on top and Allen on bottom. If defenses know Allen sucks at the long ball, it might make it easier to take away other aspects of the offense due to not having to worry about being beaten deep. Allen isn't on the BOTTOM of the list - I stopped the list at 15 for 20+ completions and 17 on 40+ completions. Allen is in the middle of the pack, not the bottom. You do know there are 32 teams in the NFL. The point is, Allen isn't abysmal and there isn't a significant amount of difference in most of the percentages.
RichRiderBills Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 62.4% is 24th in the NFL. There is more to a game that this endlessly changing stat. as a team the # is actually 62.0 % Look how bad the Falcons are ... They have a Comp % of 71.5 Ya see where I'm going here? Some stats are just irrelevant Its not irrelevant as it is a stat that needs to be closely scrutinized and broken down . Offenses are too diverse and nuanced now. How many screens do you run? How many deep shots etc... Edited October 21, 2019 by RichRiderBills 1
Ta111 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Its not irrelevant as it is a stat that needs to be closely scrutinized and broken down . Offenses are too diverse and nuanced now. How many screens do you run? How many deep shots etc... Agreed. Need to know 3rd down completion rate that keeps drives alive and 4th quarter percentage when game is on the line. I’ve seen many “high” percentage passers and losing teams.
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Allen isn't on the BOTTOM of the list - I stopped the list at 15 for 20+ completions and 17 on 40+ completions. Allen is in the middle of the pack, not the bottom. You do know there are 32 teams in the NFL. The point is, Allen isn't abysmal and there isn't a significant amount of difference in most of the percentages. I don't think looking at the numbers tells the story on how a defense will game plan against Allen is what I'm getting at. IMO, Allen has to start connecting to add that threat to the teams capabilities. I mean hell, that was one of the things he was supposed to do well when drafted.
Augie Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 This is what it’s like after a WIN! I’m going to run and hide if and when we lose! 1
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 13 hours ago, George C said: He so far has zero touch and trajectory talent, and, his long balls suck. He has a long way to go, and I couldn’t care less how strong of an arm he has. I need to see trajectory... his touch has improved a lot from year 1 to year 2 on short and intermediate throws. But he does need to work on the long ball, getting more air under it and throttling his arm strength.
billsfan1959 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I don't think looking at the numbers tells the story on how a defense will game plan against Allen is what I'm getting at. IMO, Allen has to start connecting to add that threat to the teams capabilities. I mean hell, that was one of the things he was supposed to do well when drafted. Of course you don't. Because you only see what you want to see. He proved you wrong in his ability to improve his short passing game, he proved you wrong in his ability to improve his overall accuracy, and he will continue to prove you wrong... and you will continue to focus on the negative aspects of his game...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yolo.. you know better than to post these facts ... It confuses people NFL rank - lowest % to highest) thats good right? 3
billsfan1959 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Shhhhh... 2
The Red King Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Having to perform constant late comebacks, even against bad teams, was the hallmark of the early SB Bills, lest you forget, nobody circles the wagons like? I mean c'mon, they were called the Cardiac Kids for awhile. Just win, baby. 3
Big Blitz Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Just showed my wife who missed the game yesterday to get our youngest to a birthday party, the highlight of Josh throwing the ball at the press box. She said "he just seems like he has a fun personality." Yep. And when he starts putting up numbers and winning games...hopefully playoff games soon, he could be one of the faces of the league. He is must see TV. But if you viewed him before the draft as a bust that needed to be avoided like the plague bc duh completion percentage, you will never be on board until he hoists the Lombardi.
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