Stank_Nasty Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: I said we were losing that game because Oliver is unable to finish. the ONE thing I want to see from Oliver, and the ONLY thing I want to see from him is drive-ending sacks. That's it. That's the bill of goods being sold on the guy, and he's not delivering. This team has some issues. Oliver is really low on the list. Your crusade against him is silly and exhausting 1
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Right. Again, I think you place a WHOLE lot of value in your draft board, and are quite unwilling to second-guess it. You're not alone in that regard. We were losing in the first half because the defense couldn't manage against the inside run by Miami, couldn't get to Fitz and couldn't stop a cold. That is completely untrue. When I get someone wrong in a draft I am always willing to admit it. I liked Shaq Lawson too much. Didn't like Josh Allen enough. The truth is Oliver has been pretty good so far. He hasn't been dominant yet but I am pretty pleased with his play. By far the biggest problem on defense was Tremaine Edmunds (who I also loved at draft time for the record). He was absolutely atrocious today and it was his inability to recognise the right gap that led to us being gashed much more than our 3 technique. If you think otherwise then you really need to watch the game again and watch properly because you are just wrong. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: That is completely untrue. When I get someone wrong in a draft I am always willing to admit it. I liked Shaq Lawson too much. Didn't like Josh Allen enough. The truth is Oliver has been pretty good so far. He hasn't been dominant yet but I am pretty pleased with his play. By far the biggest problem on defense was Tremaine Edmunds (who I also loved at draft time for the record). He was absolutely atrocious today and it was his inability to recognise the right gap that led to us being gashed much more than our 3 technique. If you think otherwise then you really need to watch the game again and watch properly because you are just wrong. And yet Walton only had 66 yards total, not all of which obviously were Edmunds fault. Watching I would have thought he got 100. The Dolphins averaged 3.6 a rush.
Bangarang Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Really? You’re really looking foolish in this thread, which isn’t surprising. You are bashing Allen, but are too ignorant to admit that the defense was the real culprit in almost losing this game. Not once did I ever try and blame Allen for almost losing. The defense was not good and made the Fins offense look much better than they actually are. Quote Yes, everyone’s precious defense sucked today. Until Tre’s interception. Allen has drops from Knox that would have been 6 and Beasley. That would have changed a lot. All you are likely focusing on his missed deep ball to Roberts. Wake up and see the big picture... I didn’t even mention the deep miss to Roberts, not sure how I am focusing on it.. Where are you even getting this nonsense from? Allen and the offense need to consistently be better. I was called a hater when I said The same about Tyrod. I am seeing the big picture and this team won’t have sustained success if the offense only shows up for parts of games. Relying on a defense to always be great or bail us out is not a method of winning you can rely on. Thankfully this year our schedule is easy. Ending the drought was great but I want to be so much more than a wild card one and done team. For us to actually make noise, our offense needs to be better Edited October 20, 2019 by Bangarang
Phil The Thrill Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 5:04 PM, Josh_Allen said: Yeah, this game killed his %. 61.5%
BringBackOrton Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Not once did I ever try and blame Allen for almost losing. The defense was not good and made the Fins offense look much better than they actually are. I didn’t even mention the deep miss to Roberts, not sure how I am focusing on it.. Where are you even getting this nonsense from? Allen and the offense need to consistently be better. I was called a hater when I said The same about Tyrod. I am seeing the big picture and this team won’t have sustained success if the offense only shows up for parts of games. Relying on a defense to always be great or bail us out is going to bite us in the rear. Like today. Today the Bills D didn’t show up in the first half and the offense couldn’t pick up the slack AT ALL. Just once, can the offense carry the defense? I guess that’s too much to ask our QB to do once in his career. 1
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: And yet Walton only had 66 yards total, not all of which obviously were Edmunds fault. Watching I would have thought he got 100. The Dolphins averaged 3.6 a rush. The Bills improved a bit in the run game 2nd half. But also the Dolphins got away from it early.
HappyDays Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Right. Again, I think you place a WHOLE lot of value in your draft board, and are quite unwilling to second-guess it. You're not alone in that regard. We were losing in the first half because the defense couldn't manage against the inside run by Miami, couldn't get to Fitz and couldn't stop a cold. Metcalf just fumbled the ball which the Ravens returned for a TD. Just saying. It is silly, especially at this point, to say drafting Oliver over him was a mistake.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: The Bills improved a bit in the run game 2nd half. But also the Dolphins got away from it early. They did. But I don't think it is a fair assessment to say Edmunds was atrocious. He made a couple extremely important plays and a couple extremely bad ones. But they were not the ones that put the game in peril and overall it didn't kill us. 1
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: They did. But I don't think it is a fair assessment to say Edmunds was atrocious. He made a couple extremely important plays and a couple extremely bad ones. But they were not the ones that put the game in peril and overall it didn't kill us. He got lost in coverage on the Parker TD too. I think it was his worst game as a pro.
Mango Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Right. Again, I think you place a WHOLE lot of value in your draft board, and are quite unwilling to second-guess it. You're not alone in that regard. We were losing in the first half because the defense couldn't manage against the inside run by Miami, couldn't get to Fitz and couldn't stop a cold. +2 turn overs 1 ST TD 21 points allowed. Losing with that stat line, will always be the offenses fault. Last year the line for W/L was right around 24 points. Over you should win. Under you should lose.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: He got lost in coverage on the Parker TD too. I think it was his worst game as a pro. But that was not his man was it? I'll have to watch it again.
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: But that was not his man was it? I'll have to watch it again. He came right from the other side of the formation - was technically Wallace's guy - but Edmunds got completely fooled on the misdirection otherwise he is the guy who tidies up on that play. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: He came right from the other side of the formation - was technically Wallace's guy - but Edmunds got completely fooled on the misdirection otherwise he is the guy who tidies up on that play. I guess my point was that the only reason this game was close was Fitzy being Fitzy throwing the ball downfield, running when he had to, making excellent throws 15 yards down the field. Often on critical downs. NOT because of Edmunds poor play, and he made a couple great ones. 1
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: I guess my point was that the only reason this game was close was Fitzy being Fitzy throwing the ball downfield, running when he had to, making excellent throws 15 yards down the field. Often on critical downs. NOT because of Edmunds poor play, and he made a couple great ones. In the first half their run game was a big part of why they were ahead. Yes the 2nd half was more about Fitz's arm and what is the phrase.... "live by the sword and die by the sword"?
Kelly the Dog Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: In the first half their run game was a big part of why they were ahead. Yes the 2nd half was more about Fitz's arm and what is the phrase.... "live by the sword and die by the sword"? But they had 50 yards in the first half.
george c Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 He so far has zero touch and trajectory talent, and, his long balls suck. He has a long way to go, and I couldn’t care less how strong of an arm he has. I need to see trajectory...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, George C said: He so far has zero touch and trajectory talent, and, his long balls suck. He has a long way to go, and I couldn’t care less how strong of an arm he has. I need to see trajectory... Sounds like you're solely talking about his long passes. I just don't get this post, otherwise. He's sucked on his long passes this year. On the rest of his passes he's really improving. 1
WideNine Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Mango said: +2 turn overs 1 ST TD 21 points allowed. Losing with that stat line, will always be the offenses fault. Last year the line for W/L was right around 24 points. Over you should win. Under you should lose. Usually right with you on those stats, but I would add TOP to that as well. Our defense was letting Miami have the ball for far too long today - I am sure if they were asked they would tell you that this was not a good game by them. Any defense that lets Fitzpatrick run a TD in from 15-20 yards out is not going to come out of that game flexing nuts A bit of rust, perhaps they thought Miami would roll over, they missed having Milano back there, Wallace is a smaller DB who can be man-handled and Preston on him was a good match-up for Miami. They could not stop Gesecki, and both of their RBs were finding success early in the game, and Fitz was escaping and extending plays. Was a tough day for them even with the heroics from White that kept them out of the end zone in the second half. 1
Mango Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, WideNine said: Usually right with you on those stats, but I would add TOP to that as well. Our defense was letting Miami have the ball for far too long today - I am sure if they were asked they would tell you that this was not a good game by them. Any defense that lets Fitzpatrick run a TD in from 15-20 yards out is not going to come out of that game flexing nuts A bit of rust, perhaps they thought Miami would roll over, they missed having Milano back there, Wallace is a smaller DB who can be man-handled and Preston on him was a good match-up for Miami. They could not stop Gesecki, and both of their RBs were finding success early in the game, and Fitz was escaping and extending plays. Was a tough day for them even with the heroics from White that kept them out of the end zone in the second half. I can get behind all of this. Good post. Defense was bad by our standards this year. But not as bad as some are making it out to be.
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