Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[JoeF]

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, JoeF said:

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

Tells me they play from behind a lot. 

[C.Biscuit97]

52 minutes ago, JoeF said:

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

I don’t get why people work so hard to try to make passing a bad thing.  We won’t be a better team with Matt Ryan?  Last year, 5 of the top 8 in passing yards had winning records.

 

it’s like some of you work so hard to cover for Allen.  I definitely have seen some positive steps this year.  I think he made some big boy throws against the Pats. I also say a guy who had a very slow start that put us in a hole.  He’s moving in a good direction but you don’t post this if he is putting up Mahomes numbers. 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t get why people work so hard to try to make passing a bad thing.  We won’t be a better team with Matt Ryan?  Last year, 5 of the top 8 in passing yards had winning records.

 

it’s like some of you work so hard to cover for Allen.  I definitely have seen some positive steps this year.  I think he made some big boy throws against the Pats. I also say a guy who had a very slow start that put us in a hole.  He’s moving in a good direction but you don’t post this if he is putting up Mahomes numbers. 

And this year 5 of the top 8 are not.  Passing yards are not a bad thing of course.  What's even better is scoring.  Unfortunately, even though Allen has the TDs this year they just aren't scoring enough either.  They are probably about 5 points per game too light over the course of the season.  If this team could consistently put up 24ish points per game then I don't think we would lose to anyone considering how strong our defense is.

[JoeF]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t get why people work so hard to try to make passing a bad thing.  We won’t be a better team with Matt Ryan?  Last year, 5 of the top 8 in passing yards had winning records.

 

it’s like some of you work so hard to cover for Allen.  I definitely have seen some positive steps this year.  I think he made some big boy throws against the Pats. I also say a guy who had a very slow start that put us in a hole.  He’s moving in a good direction but you don’t post this if he is putting up Mahomes numbers. 

I appreciate and partially agree with your point @C.Biscuit97. 

 

Personally, I am not covering for Josh at all.  This was more meant to show that passing yard numbers are no more important than other QB stats when judging QB performance.  The lack of a 300 yard passing game has been seen as a marker of growth by some posters.  Personally, it means very little to me.  W's are more important and Josh has had a hand in producing a pretty good W-L record.

 

I think Josh is growing into the job in a similar manner that a lot a great QBs -- Manning, Aikman, Big Ben had to grow into it and I see steady improvement.  Josh has been handled gently and pretty conservatively but he has grown. Josh had the weakest competitive background of any of the top 5 prospects in his class. Josh has met my personal expectations for this year 2 of his maturation.  

 

The Bills would run a different offense with Matt Ryan and would likely have a better record...but Matt Ryan wasn't an option.  The Bills needed and only had access to a developmental QB prospect that might develop into a top 10 QB.  Nothing Josh has done these first two years has dissuaded from the belief that he is on this path.  He's not there yet..and there is plenty to criticize but I am taking a patient stance.  Its easier to do so for me because I see the Bills have basically sucked and had no plan for 20 years and I am happy the Bills have a plan and a front office and coaching staff that can execute on that plan. 

[VW82]

Josh is getting a lot of credit here for his TDs, and deservedly so, but our offense isn't scoring enough. There are lots of reasons for that but in this game: Josh ended the first drive with an over throw to a wide open Knox in the end zone; he ended the second drive with a wayward throw - hips wide open, probably his worst of the day - to a crossing Beasley for a missed first down; he ended the third drive throwing behind an open Beasley which caused him to stop his progress and the DB recovered and knocked it away. Right before the big throw to Knox on the fourth drive, Allen over shot Brown on a deep in route that got tipped by the Pats and could have easily been intercepted. 

 

Yes Josh scores TDs but he also makes too many drive killing mistakes that keep us from getting close enough to score in the first place. That's a big reason why this team struggles to score points.   

Edited December 23, 2019 by VW82

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, JoeF said:

I appreciate and partially agree with your point @C.Biscuit97. 

 

Personally, I am not covering for Josh at all.  This was more meant to show that passing yard numbers are no more important than other QB stats when judging QB performance.  The lack of a 300 yard passing game has been seen as a marker of growth by some posters.  Personally, it means very little to me.  W's are more important and Josh has had a hand in producing a pretty good W-L record.

 

I think Josh is growing into the job in a similar manner that a lot a great QBs -- Manning, Aikman, Big Ben had to grow into it and I see steady improvement.  Josh has been handled gently and pretty conservatively but he has grown. Josh had the weakest competitive background of any of the top 5 prospects in his class. Josh has met my personal expectations for this year 2 of his maturation.  

 

The Bills would run a different offense with Matt Ryan and would likely have a better record...but Matt Ryan wasn't an option.  The Bills needed and only had access to a developmental QB prospect that might develop into a top 10 QB.  Nothing Josh has done these first two years has dissuaded from the belief that he is on this path.  He's not there yet..and there is plenty to criticize but I am taking a patient stance.  Its easier to do so for me because I see the Bills have basically sucked and had no plan for 20 years and I am happy the Bills have a plan and a front office and coaching staff that can execute on that plan. 

Good post. And I’m not freaking out about the 300 yard games. I just don’t get why people pretend it’s a bad thing. There is a world where Allen posts monster numbers and we have like 1 loss.  There’s also a world where we let Allen throw the ball like crazy, and he becomes a turnover machine. 
 

I have zero worries about that this year. The formula is working.  I’m not 100% convinced he could carry this team like Wilson does after young guys start getting paid at this point.  But that’s a long away.

[Gugny]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Good post. And I’m not freaking out about the 300 yard games. I just don’t get why people pretend it’s a bad thing. There is a world where Allen posts monster numbers and we have like 1 loss.  There’s also a world where we let Allen throw the ball like crazy, and he becomes a turnover machine. 
 

I have zero worries about that this year. The formula is working.  I’m not 100% convinced he could carry this team like Wilson does after young guys start getting paid at this point.  But that’s a long away.

 

I don't think anyone is (or has ever) said that passing for a lot of yards is a bad thing.

 

Personally, I think that passing for a lot of yards does not necessarily mean that the offense will score a lot of points/the team will win a lot of games.

 

I think Red Zone trips and Red Zone success are much more meaningful metrics.  Those are more "team" or "offense" stats than "QB" stats, though.

[njbuff]

The numbers Josh Allen has now might very well be his final numbers of the year.

 

The more you read, the more McDermott is going to close the book on Josh Allen's regular season.

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't think anyone is (or has ever) said that passing for a lot of yards is a bad thing.

 

Personally, I think that passing for a lot of yards does not necessarily mean that the offense will score a lot of points/the team will win a lot of games.

 

I think Red Zone trips and Red Zone success are much more meaningful metrics.  Those are more "team" or "offense" stats than "QB" stats, though.

Yeah, I guess the thing is someone like Mahomes nearly carried a terrible defense to the SB. I was positive he was a franchise guy. Same with early Peyton. For as bad as he struggled early, it was basically on him.  
 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, I guess the thing is someone like Mahomes nearly carried a terrible defense to the SB. I was positive he was a franchise guy. Same with early Peyton. For as bad as he struggled early, it was basically on him.  
 

 

 

Mahomes had a terrible D but a LOADED offense.  Kind of like Kurt Warner's Rams.

 

I'm confident that Josh's "pretty stats," will become more pretty when he gets a better supporting cast.

 

[K-9]

Is Josh Allen supposed to apologize for not being Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, or Patrick Mahomes? Really? He was so far behind those guys developmentally coming into the league (light years, essentially), is still far behind today, and yet people still insist on holding him to their standard, regardless. Makes zero sense. 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Mahomes, Watson, and Jackson would have made those throws- that’s what “it” factor looks like to me...now, Allen May someday get to that level, but he is not there yet...

 

I'll give you Mahomes but how do you know this for Watson & Jackson? 

 

Earlier in the day on Sunday I watched Watson play a mediocre game that was critical to the Texans playoff chances.  He missed several big throws and ended the day with no TD's and an INT.  Against a Tampa pass defense that one would hardly call elite.

 

As for Jackson, based on watching his game this year I doubt he hits on either of those throws as they were throws from the pocket in which the defense KNEW a pass play was on tap.  Now I will give you that Jackson and the Ravens O scores from the 8 yard line because of the greater number of weapons they could bring to bear at that point.   But I haven't seen a lot of evidence that Jackson hits either of those throws.

 

 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

Josh is getting a lot of credit here for his TDs, and deservedly so, but our offense isn't scoring enough. There are lots of reasons for that but in this game: Josh ended the first drive with an over throw to a wide open Knox in the end zone; he ended the second drive with a wayward throw - hips wide open, probably his worst of the day - to a crossing Beasley for a missed first down; he ended the third drive throwing behind an open Beasley which caused him to stop his progress and the DB recovered and knocked it away. Right before the big throw to Knox on the fourth drive, Allen over shot Brown on a deep in route that got tipped by the Pats and could have easily been intercepted. 

 

Yes Josh scores TDs but he also makes too many drive killing mistakes that keep us from getting close enough to score in the first place. That's a big reason why this team struggles to score points.   

 

The rest of the offense also makes drive killing mistakes between drops, bad penalties, and swiss cheesing on the oline.  Its not just Josh that is a "big reason why"

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Good post. And I’m not freaking out about the 300 yard games. I just don’t get why people pretend it’s a bad thing. There is a world where Allen posts monster numbers and we have like 1 loss.  There’s also a world where we let Allen throw the ball like crazy, and he becomes a turnover machine. 
 

I have zero worries about that this year. The formula is working.  I’m not 100% convinced he could carry this team like Wilson does after young guys start getting paid at this point.  But that’s a long away.

 

I don't think people really think its a bad thing.  I think this stems more from people being tired of hearing a specific individual that only seems to care about this one arbitrary number.  So much so that he would rather the Bills lose as long as he got to see that 300 yards.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, london_bills said:

 

I am concerned with a QB who makes the hard throws and misses the easy ones. This nature is always going to polarise fans. 

 

Yes I know that's a high passer rating but.. 

 

He was 13/26. 50% completion.

We scored 17 points. 

 

Few games ago Bills were 9-0 when Allen was 60% or more. Pats are a good defence but it would have been great for Allen to be closer to 60 percent. 

 

He has improved the picks and the deep passes were awesome. 

 

This misrepresents the situation and suggests that Allen routinely misses the easy throws.  He doesn't.  In fact this year he's been making almost all of the "easy throws".  Yes, he does miss an easy throw once & a while.  But to suggest it's a problem at this point is just not correct.

 

And please I hope you're not calling the two times he missed Knox as "easy throws".  Particularly the 2nd one in the end zone which was the type of play that looks open but can end in an INT if the pass isn't perfectly thrown.  Sure, they were make-able throws but NOT easy throws.

 

As for Allen being 13/26 indicating that he's missing "easy throws" I say BS.  He had to throw at least 3 balls away due to the pass rush; he had to throw a ball at the RB's feet on a screen because the Pats had blown it up;  and he threw a desperation hail Mary pass on the last play of the game.  That means Allen was 13/21 or hitting on 62% in his other passes.  And I didn't include a couple of deep shots and a dropped pass.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[CincyBillsFan]

And for the record Allen's 29 TD's through 15 games this season puts him behind only Jim Kelly's 34 TD's as the record for most TD's by a Bills player in a single season.  That's not bad at all.  In fact it's pretty spectacular if you ask me and shows excellent PRODUCTION from the QB position.

 

Oh and over that same period Allen only has 13 TO's (INT's & Lost Fumbles).  Allen has already outplayed pretty much everyone who has played QB for the Bills over the last 20 years.  In his 2nd season and as a guy described as a PROJECT.

 

 

[london_bills]

9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

This misrepresents the situation and suggests that Allen routinely misses the easy throws.  He doesn't.  In fact this year he's been making almost all of the "easy throws".  Yes, he does miss an easy throw once & a while.  But to suggest it's a problem at this point is just not correct.

 

And please I hope you're not calling the two times he missed Knox as "easy throws".  Particularly the 2nd one in the end zone which was the type of play that looks open but can end in an INT if the pass isn't perfectly thrown.  Sure, they were make-able throws but NOT easy throws.

 

As for Allen being 13/26 indicating that he's missing "easy throws" I say BS.  He had to throw at least 3 balls away due to the pass rush; he had to throw a ball at the RB's feet on a screen because the Pats had blown it up;  and he threw a desperation hail Mary pass on the last play of the game.  That means Allen was 13/21 or hitting on 62% in his other passes.  And I didn't include a couple of deep shots and a dropped pass.

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

This misrepresents the situation and suggests that Allen routinely misses the easy throws.  He doesn't.  In fact this year he's been making almost all of the "easy throws".  Yes, he does miss an easy throw once & a while.  But to suggest it's a problem at this point is just not correct.

 

And please I hope you're not calling the two times he missed Knox as "easy throws".  Particularly the 2nd one in the end zone which was the type of play that looks open but can end in an INT if the pass isn't perfectly thrown.  Sure, they were make-able throws but NOT easy throws.

 

As for Allen being 13/26 indicating that he's missing "easy throws" I say BS.  He had to throw at least 3 balls away due to the pass rush; he had to throw a ball at the RB's feet on a screen because the Pats had blown it up;  and he threw a desperation hail Mary pass on the last play of the game.  That means Allen was 13/21 or hitting on 62% in his other passes.  And I didn't include a couple of deep shots and a dropped pass.

 

 

It all depends when we are talking about and whether we are talking about the same moments.

 

I'm talking particularly about when allen 'disappears' in games, looks flustered. 

 

His inconsistency is a problem here, I'm talking particularly about when he has the 'jitters' as he mentioned in his press conference, he does miss easy throws then. It's like everything goes. An example against the Pats was when he started the game, He looked bad! . When beasley was open early and we saw the camera from behind Allen we saw beasley was open and that is an example of an easy missed throw by Allen. He hit's knox with the long pass later and that's a harder throw. 

 

I take your point that at times he hits the shorter throws consistently, like when he started the season against the jets or aguanst the cowboys. 

 

In other posts I've mentioned the missed td to knox, it would have been nice to have given him a chance on that ball although from memory it wasn't easy. There's an argument for at least giving the reciever a chance on that ball. 

 

When the blitz was coming in his face on one play he ran backwards and threw a quick pass to Beasley and beat the rush that way. 

 

Sometimes he looks in control and sometimes he doesn't. 

[london_bills]

3 hours ago, JoeF said:

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

This is true. I saw the highlights of the dolphins vs bengals game and there were two 400 yd games/4td games by each QB who are probably going to be replaced. 

[K-Apps]

I know it’s Cian, but man Allen’s footwork and pocket presence is downright horrific at times. I definitely think he needs to play a half on Sunday:

 

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, london_bills said:

 

 

 

Sometimes he looks in control and sometimes he doesn't. 

This can be said of EVERY NFL QB. 

 

Yesterday for example the 2019 MVP, Lamar Jackson, disappeared for the first quarter and most of the 2nd quarter.  He had less then 20 yards passing and had hit on only 25% of his passes.  He also lost a fumble.  His team was down 6 - 0 and the Ravens had not even sniffed the red zone.  Then Jackson caught fire late in the 2nd period.  Sound familiar?