Teddy KGB Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: please keep in mind this guy was convinced Tyrod Taylor was a top QB We remember. Edited December 18, 2019 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: My point is you reach which makes you look foolish. Bringing up Duke Williams is relevant ??♂️, is he still on the team ? Dont even bring up Knox when the ravens have 3 tight ends who all play without a severe case of the dropsies. Your point is useless because those guys are afterthoughts in their offense, just like the guys I referenced. A stretch is saying Seth Roberts is 6'4 when he's actually 6'2 when trying to prove some obscure point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: We remember. He was as wrong then as he is today. And I mean CONVINCED, like dead-on 100% certain Taylor was the answer lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: please keep in mind this guy was convinced Tyrod Taylor was a top QB Sure thing. I imagine all of you were EJ Manuel fan boys and your still butt hurt over him being a heaping pile of garbage at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Oh wait, also would have traded an entire draft class for wait for it....Crablegs Winston DED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Your point is useless because those guys are afterthoughts in their offense, just like the guys I referenced. A stretch is saying Seth Roberts is 6'4 when he's actually 6'2 when trying to prove some obscure point. Afterthoughts score 10 td’s ? Take it up with ESPN. They say Roberts is 6’4. Wheres your favorite place to get crabcakes in Baltimore ? Edited December 18, 2019 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Afterthoughts score 10 td’s ? Take it up with ESPN. They say Roberts is 6’4. You must not be able to read, because he's listed at 6'2 on every website, including ESPN. Keep going with your attempt to stretch the truth, after telling me not to do that. It's hysterical. LMAO Edited December 18, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: ^no, the point is Greg Roman is in Baltimore This can’t be overstated. Especially with his use of multiple blocking schemes. While nothing new in terms of those schemes themselves (power/man, inside/outside zone, etc,) his use of BOTH equally is unique. Most OLs, like ours for instance, are more suited for one or the other, seldom both, simply because of the different lineman types required to maximize each. Not so in Baltimore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: You must not be able to read, because he's listed at 6'2 on every website, including ESPN. Keep going with your attempt to stretch the truth, after telling me not to do that. It's hysterical. LMAO Says the hysterical ravens fanboy. Gotta run. Enjoy the anti Allen parade ?? 10-4 baby. Get another tissue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, K-9 said: This can’t be overstated. Especially with his use of multiple blocking schemes. While nothing new in terms of those schemes themselves (power/man, inside/outside zone, etc,) his use of BOTH equally is unique. Most OLs, like ours for instance, are more suited for one or the other, seldom both, simply because of the different lineman types required to maximize each. Not so in Baltimore. Genius in the run game and at maximizing statistical efficiency in the passing game=Greg Roman. Took Kaepernick (well, him and the defense) to a SB. Turned backup caliber Taylor into a ProBowler. Has Jackson playing @MVP dual threat level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Oh wait, also would have traded an entire draft class for wait for it....Crablegs Winston DED Another misrepresentation. My argument was that if you want a QB, the math says you should go after the #1 QB in the draft. I haven't check since we picked Allen, but guys who go #1 overall work out around 60-70% of the time. On the flip side, guys picked #2 to #32 overall, work out around 30% of the time. It was an argument based on probability. At the time we needed a QB, and if you're going to try and get one, do whatever you can to make it happen in an attempt to improve your odds to a much higher probability than picking someone later in the first round. I thought Winston was a pretty good prospect. I was wrong. I can live with that, but don't mislead the reasoning behind why I said it would be a good idea to trade up. The whole rational was that if you're going to draft a QB, draft the best QB in that draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Your point is useless because those guys are afterthoughts in their offense, just like the guys I referenced. A stretch is saying Seth Roberts is 6'4 when he's actually 6'2 when trying to prove some obscure point. The Raven's TEs are afterthoughts? I must have missed the couple of games you watched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Finally someone who gets it. I could understand if someone thought Jackson wasn't better than someone like Pat Mahomes, Russell Wilson, etc, but literally everyone who has argued with me this morning has said they wouldn't trade Allen straight up for Lamar Jackson. It's mind boggling. I think the idea of doing a player for player trade is different from discussing who the better player is today because you're taking upside into account. I can see why people might think Josh has the greater upside, and likely the better longevity too. Arguing that Lamar would be nothing without Roman or Baltimore's play makers, line, etc., is just dumb. Was Michael Vick just a product of Atlanta's system too? Guys on that level are special enough that they're going to find a way in most places unless you're actively trying to undermine them by putting them in a system that prioritizes their weaknesses. We're not doing that for Josh. Why would we do that for Lamar? Edited December 18, 2019 by VW82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Pokebball said: The Raven's TEs are afterthoughts? I must have missed the couple of games you watched. Roberts and Boykin are after thoughts. That comment was based around our receivers lacking size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think the idea of doing a player for player trade is different from discussing who the better player is today because you're taking upside into account. I can see why people might think Josh has the greater upside, and likely the better longevity too. Arguing that Lamar would be nothing without Roman or Baltimore's play makers, line, etc., is just dumb. Was Michael Vick just a product of Atlanta's system too? Guys on that level are special enough that they're going to find a way in most places unless you're actively trying to undermine them by putting them in a system that prioritizes their weaknesses. We're not doing that for Josh. Why would we do that for Lamar? LOL nobody is saying Jackson would be nothing go away scarecrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Roberts and Boykin scored 5 td’s so far Fixed it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: LOL nobody is saying Jackson would be nothing go away scarecrow It's been said several times in this thread, including by a mod, that Jackson wouldn't be anywhere close to what Allen is in Buffalo. "Nothing" is perhaps overstating it but so is what was actually said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Genius in the run game and at maximizing statistical efficiency in the passing game=Greg Roman. Took Kaepernick (well, him and the defense) to a SB. Turned backup caliber Taylor into a ProBowler. Has Jackson playing @MVP dual threat level Agree entirely. What he also has in Lamar, unlike in Kaep and Taylor, is a QB who is NOT risk averse in the passing game. Granted, they haven’t had to rely on their pass game very much, but Jackson has shown he’s not afraid to chuck it and make a play. But like Kaep in SF, I’m not sure it’s a sustainable system. DCs will again make it a point to ignore the “mesh point” or “pitch” confusion and instruct their DLs and LBs to hit Jackson, regardless. It will take a toll eventually. It’s inevitable when your QB is taking an inordinate number of risks as a running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, VW82 said: It's been said several times in this thread, including by a mod, that Jackson wouldn't be anywhere close to what Allen is in Buffalo. "Nothing" is perhaps overstating it but so is what was actually said. That's more than likely true. We don't run Roman's read option and we don't have the oline for it. We don't have the TEs with pass catching ability. We don't have big wideouts blocking downfield. We don't have a hammer like Ingram/Edwards. Jackson has over 2 game's worth of fewer pass attempts than Allen currently. He throws the ball at one of the lowest rates in the league. He's also got more rush attempts than some starting RBs. He is in a very, VERY particular offense in Baltimore and in all likelihood would be less successful than other QBs running more traditional schemes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, Mango said: There were 7 QB's at or over 60% in 1996. Elways 61.6% was 5th highest in the league at the time. There are currently 26 at or greater than 61.6%. There are currently 4 at or above 70%. The point again is the continued discussion of completion % is not proving anything. QB's with Crappy Josh #'s are HOF'ers and or soon to be HOF'ers (with a *** for Tom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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