Cripple Creek Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Sounds like certain posters owe the organization an apology. Remember a LOT of people here castigating beane for the Incognito situation. Shows the true professionalism of the organization that they kept quiet about it. Yes, he was treated unfairly was the narrative.
GunnerBill Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Sounds like certain posters owe the organization an apology. Remember a LOT of people here castigating beane for the Incognito situation. Shows the true professionalism of the organization that they kept quiet about it. I was never in that camp. I was anti signing Richie in the first place because to me the guy has bigger things to get right in his life than football. I was always of the view that what we heard publicly was likely never the full story on the paycut that he agreed to, signed off on and then objected to and retired. He is complicated character to say the least. 1
Gugny Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 Ideally, he would get the help he clearly needs and use his celebrity to help urge others suffering from mental illness to do the same. At the same time, he could help bring to light how this country continually fails people with mental illness and those facing problems with addiction. Instead of continuing to employ him, I feel that the NFL should instead focus on getting him the help he needs. Is that their obligation? Perhaps not. But it would be a lot more responsible/ethical than letting teams continue to sign him. His problems are bigger and far more significant than any football team's need for an offensive lineman.
apuszczalowski Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 Funny how this offseason, Incognito ended up not being the biggest nut job on his team....... 3 4
DrDawkinstein Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: I had no idea he fell back into bad habits in 2017 , oh well. Hope he is back on track now. Wonder if Castillo at OL coach had a bad effect on him . It wasnt a well kept secret. Anyone could hang out with Richie at anytime. Just go down to the Casino/Cobblestone District and you would find him drunk almost every night. I ran into him a bunch down there. I will say, always a super nice dude among the people and fans. Always willing to talk to folks, shake hands, hang out, and with a smile. At least the times I saw. For whatever it's worth.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: Ideally, he would get the help he clearly needs and use his celebrity to help urge others suffering from mental illness to do the same. At the same time, he could help bring to light how this country continually fails people with mental illness and those facing problems with addiction. Instead of continuing to employ him, I feel that the NFL should instead focus on getting him the help he needs. Is that their obligation? Perhaps not. But it would be a lot more responsible/ethical than letting teams continue to sign him. His problems are bigger and far more significant than any football team's need for an offensive lineman. Why wouldn't the NFLPA get him the help he needs? Seems a lot closer to what they should be doing than the league. 1
eball Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 I'm so glad this came out, because I was tired of hearing about how Beane was an idiot for asking one of our best OL to take a pay cut and damaging the relationship. 6
Gugny Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Why wouldn't the NFLPA get him the help he needs? Seems a lot closer to what they should be doing than the league. You are correct. I should have said NFLPA and NFL working together.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: You are correct. I should have said NFLPA and NFL working together. No worries, just a point of emphasis for me, it seems like the NFLPA is just a notch above the ncaa when it comes to the well being of their member athletes. 1
Chandler#81 Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 Whatever drug or alcohol concoction makes you want to threaten a funeral home for not letting you cut your Dads’ head off and take it, I want some! Otherwise, I’m done with him and his long, sordid story. As long as he doesn’t help Oakland/LA/Vegas beat us, I couldn’t care less about him. He’ll never get my money for a speaking engagement and I won’t buy him a beer if I meet him. But that’s just me. 1
Don Otreply Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Richie is seems like an amazing guy when he is ‘right’. Richie could have a future In public speaking or maybe even broadcasting. Well spoken and has great insight. I hope for his sake he can stay on the straight and narrow path. Don’t think broadcasting is in his future, he has little self control, every couple of years he implodes, certainly not professional enough for that world, at least imo. As said above Beane deserves credit for his handling of the loony tune that is RI, a bit of crow for the Beane critics. Wish RI well, hope he saved some money over the years, he’s gonna need it.
Mr. WEO Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 55 minutes ago, Gugny said: Ideally, he would get the help he clearly needs and use his celebrity to help urge others suffering from mental illness to do the same. At the same time, he could help bring to light how this country continually fails people with mental illness and those facing problems with addiction. Instead of continuing to employ him, I feel that the NFL should instead focus on getting him the help he needs. Is that their obligation? Perhaps not. But it would be a lot more responsible/ethical than letting teams continue to sign him. His problems are bigger and far more significant than any football team's need for an offensive lineman. The country didn't fail him, unless you are talking about not doing a Mental Health Arrest at some point. It is up to him to seek help.
muppy Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: Incognito is one of those guys that continually screws up and, down the road, admits to it being his fault and a lot of people then think he is then on the right path. being manipulative and in denial are traits of substance abusers coming clean is a start...If he can stay off drugs and alcohol that will be key ...I do think talk is cheap in other words he needs to walk the walk and not just talk the talk...I haven't read any more TMZ type reports on the guy lately which is a step in the right direction. 1
Saxum Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: No worries, just a point of emphasis for me, it seems like the NFLPA is just a notch above the ncaa when it comes to the well being of their member athletes. In my opinion the NFLPA does more for bad boys and troubled players than players who follow rules on and off the field. If I was playing I'd talk to my NFLPA representative on team asking that like people in flood zones that players with multiple infractions would need to increase dues. 1
Jauronimo Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Whatever drug or alcohol concoction makes you want to threaten a funeral home for not letting you cut your Dads’ head off and take it, I want some! Otherwise, I’m done with him and his long, sordid story. As long as he doesn’t help Oakland/LA/Vegas beat us, I couldn’t care less about him. He’ll never get my money for a speaking engagement and I won’t buy him a beer if I meet him. But that’s just me. This again?? You guys just do not understand the warrior spirit. Not like me, @Gugny and @Paulus anyway. 2
Jerome007 Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Sounds like certain posters owe the organization an apology. Remember a LOT of people here castigating beane for the Incognito situation. Shows the true professionalism of the organization that they kept quiet about it. I certainly am one of those posters. And I don't feel that bad about it with this stuff coming out TBH. Imagine ALL the issues we don't know about with players? Current and past. Just look at AB texts & emails... In the end, you can only judge behavior at the training facilities, meetings, and of course, production at game time! And even with his admission of substance use and lack of motivation, he paved the way for Shady like no one else. He produced. Too late now anyway. He's a nut case for sure but to me it's "cut him, send him to rehab, or keep it the same". Not ask him to take a paycut so he fires himself... I have a friend that is like him. Well except for the millionaire part. Those guys can be an adventure to be around, and yep, you never know when the cops can show up...
Gugny Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: This again?? You guys just do not understand the warrior spirit. Not like me, @Gugny and @Paulus anyway. He's one of "them." 1
Chandler#81 Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: He's one of "them." ?BWAHAHAHAHAHA! That’s Right, Dammit! 1
BillsFan4 Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: Incognito is one of those guys that continually screws up and, down the road, admits to it being his fault and a lot of people then think he is then on the right path. That’s exactly how it seemed to me, too. He’s repeated this behavior enough times now that it’s fair to wonder if he’s just following the same pattern of old. He’s on his best behavior while he knows he has no other choice. The way he is acting now is just like his first year in Buffalo. He knows he’s on a very short leash. If he plays well this year and solidifies a spot in Oakland, unfortunately I would not be at all surprised to see him start reverting back to his old ways again. I legitimately hope, for the sake of Richie and those around him, this time is different. I hope he’s getting real help to learn how to change and deal with his mental health and addiction issues. Because, if he can’t manage these issues now, while we under strict NFL + team policy + a strict, regimented schedule, and surrounded by all the support you could probably ever ask for, I don’t have high hopes for him after he retires.
BuffaloBill Posted September 24, 2019 Posted September 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Sounds like certain posters owe the organization an apology. Remember a LOT of people here castigating beane for the Incognito situation. Shows the true professionalism of the organization that they kept quiet about it. My guess is they also tried to get him help.
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