Billsfan1972 Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) That my excitement level is so high watching Allen and wanting to see the Offense explode. Here are the QB Stats & not in one category is he in the top third. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/passingYards/dir/desc I am really enjoying and cheering Josh Allen on, but want to see the offense do better, which yes I blame on coaching and not having better weapons. Edited September 23, 2019 by Billsfan1972
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 Lol. So you blame coaches for the failures but not the successes?
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 Allen's TD:INT is not looking so great.
PaattMaann Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: That my excitement level is so high watching Allen and wanting to see the Offense explode. Here are the QB Stats & not in one category is he in the top third. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/passingYards/dir/desc I am really enjoying and cheering Josh Allen on, but want to see the offense do better, which yes I blame on coaching and not having better weapons. I personally think the coaching and game plans have been spot on. Not predictable. Good mix of run and pass. Play designs have been STELLAR. We have plenty of weapons on offense, especally when Motor is back healthy. Execution by all 11, Josh's decision making (sometimes, and no not just on INTs, not identifying the open WRs pre play) and pass pro have been holding the offense back from the explosion in which you speak. 1 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Allen's TD:INT is not looking so great. Meh, looks better if you add in his rushing TDs. Thats a big part of his game that isn't accounted for by those stats. Just now, PaattMaann said: I personally think the coaching and game plans have been spot on. Not predictable. Good mix of run and pass. Play designs have been STELLAR. We have plenty of weapons on offense, especally when Motor is back healthy. Execution by all 11, Josh's decision making (sometimes, and no not just on INTs, not identifying the open WRs pre play) and pass pro have been holding the offense back from the explosion in which you speak. They brought in 4 new OL, our top 2 WRs, and 3 new TEs. What do people want? 1 1
Rc2catch Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: I personally think the coaching and game plans have been spot on. Not predictable. Good mix of run and pass. Play designs have been STELLAR. We have plenty of weapons on offense, especally when Motor is back healthy. Execution by all 11, Josh's decision making (sometimes, and no not just on INTs, not identifying the open WRs pre play) and pass pro have been holding the offense back from the explosion in which you speak. I’m with you, give these weapons to a top 10 quarterback and they can have a deadly offense. As josh grows he can better utilize these guys. Daboll is an excellent schemer weekly for this offense. If we had a worse coordinator this team would of been in complete shambles last year 1
H2o Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Omg....Does Josh have....dare I say it......slow eyes? Seriously though, he does need to improve with his progressions. He's in his 2nd year and still growing. He has a bad habit of locking in on his security blanket right now, which is Beasley. Hopefully they coach this out of him because he left a few big plays on the field if he had seen his guy and been able to deliver an accurate ball. We all would love to see 300+ and 3 or 4 TD's a game, but it seems we go to sleep on offense for 2 quarters a game every week for some reason. Not sure if it is all on Josh, or if it is the play calling, or because of adjustments made by the defense. Either way our people need to learn to adjust on the fly or we will not compete with the upper echelon teams. Edited September 23, 2019 by H2o 1
folz Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) When you have a team as good as the 90s Bills, you worry about stats...because you want to prove that our guys/team are the best at this or that. With a young, developing team like we have now, just get the W. I don't care, for instance, what Josh's TD to INT ratio is right now, as long as he wins games. He will eventually clean that up with more experience. The same with any other stat. If they get the win and learn from the mistakes, that's all that matters right now. With as young as they are and with the number of new pieces coming together on the offensive side of the ball (plus the injuries in camp and preseason to the O line, etc.), there was very little chance that they would be explosive early in the season. They're still trying to find out who they are as an offense. But, as the season wears on and the unit has played together longer, by mid- to late-season, we might see some explosiveness. And as always, put the team first. With everybody pulling together and getting wins, the stats and individual accolades will eventually come. I do not see coaching as an issue at all. McDermott is a great motivator and chemistry/culture builder. Plus, he and Leslie Frazier have the defense playing pretty well. And I like the creativeness, disguises, and misdirection that Daboll and his staff are bringing to the table right now. They've got stuff to clean up and build on, but right now, I don't think our offensive philosophy is holding us back. Give them some time to come together. Experience is the best teacher. Edited September 23, 2019 by folz 5
Doc Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Meh, looks better if you add in his rushing TDs. Thats a big part of his game that isn't accounted for by those stats. They brought in 4 new OL, our top 2 WRs, and 3 new TEs. What do people want? Yeah. And the "3-0" looks pretty good. 1
Bangarang Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 Daboll has called a solid game majority of the time this year. I wouldn’t mind seeing less QB keepers and yesterday he did get too cute with the jet sweeps. I would love to see Allen and the offense put it together for an entire game and put up big numbers (preferably against NE). Our first half’s have started off strong but for whatever reason we look terrible coming out of half time. There are times where Allen makes ridiculous plays like Mahomes and I think he’s going to be the best in the league. Then there are times where he makes bonehead throws and I think he’s going to be another Cutler. Its an emotional roller coaster but it has been exciting more times than not so far.
jletha Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 IMO its because of the style of play at QB when its good. When Josh orchestrates a drive he usually stands in the pocket and delivers to an open guy and he uses the entire field. A lot of his next gen stats look good in terms of Y/A, depth adjusted completion %, etc. That type of stuff can be seen when you compare it to the style of QB we got from Tyrod or EJ. The thing with Josh so far has been eliminating TOs (which come on fumbles and one dumb throw yesterday) and putting a complete game together. With Tyrod we were saying he needs to learn how to use the field and throw across the middle and throw downfield more. Those all seem much harder to learn then learning to secure the ball more on fumbles and avoid some of the hero-ball stuff. At least thats where my optimism lies. 1
nucci Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 I know many here are not used to winning and I know this team isn't perfect, but after all this mess Bills are 3-0. Try to enjoy it. 2 1 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, nucci said: I know many here are not used to winning and I know this team isn't perfect, but after all this mess Bills are 3-0. Try to enjoy it. Agreed. 1 1
billsfan1959 Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: That my excitement level is so high watching Allen and wanting to see the Offense explode. Here are the QB Stats & not in one category is he in the top third. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/passingYards/dir/desc I am really enjoying and cheering Josh Allen on, but want to see the offense do better, which yes I blame on coaching and not having better weapons. You couldn't fit this in under your "haven't thrown for 300 yds in forever" thread? Here are some offensive stats going into the Cincy game (we'll see how they look updated): Per Game 9th in Yds per game 10th in pts per game 19th in passing yds per game 14th in yds per attampt 9th in rushing yds per game 11th in avg yds per rush 6th in total 1st downs per game 14th in 3rd down conversions https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=O&cat=T 3rd in number of TD drives of +70 yds https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/drive_finder.cgi Per Drive 22 Drives 28th in starting Line of Scrimmage per drive 9th in starting Line of Scrimmage after Kick Off 18th in plays per drive 13th in yds per drive 13th in pts per drive 10th in TDs per drive 4th in TD/FG 1st Pts per Red Zone trip 1st in TDs per Red Zone trip 9th in Drive Success Rate (percentage of down series that result in a first down or touchdown) https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsoff/2019 What negative aspect of this team is headlining your next thread? I'm on the edge of my seat...no, really.... 3 1
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Allen's TD:INT is not looking so great. the whole league not looking great compared to Mahomes. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 How many passing yard threads do you need to create? This was yesterday. 1 2
CincyBillsFan Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 I don't understand why people think this offense can be explosive on a regular basis? It was the 2nd worst offense in the NFL last year. The good news is that it's moved up into the middle of the pack which is great progress BUT not evidence of an elite unit (top 10). The thread starter seems to be saying that Allen's play is holding the O back. I don't see that. Like the offensive stats overall, Allen has gone from being down near the bottom of the QB rankings to being in the middle. This is great progress for a guy who was called a "project" and has yet to play a fulls season of football as a starter. I love Frank Gore and what he represents for the ultimate classy professional football player. But he's in the twilight of his career; Singleterry is a rookie showing signs of being something special but is still a work in progress. and Yeldon is a below average 3rd string player. At this time, no one would look at this backfield and say it's dangerous. Beasley & Brown have been a huge upgrade at the WR position and their number of catches proves it. But again we had maybe the worst WR core in the NFL last season. Now we have a solid, middle of the pack group. Again, which of our receivers would scare an opponent in the way that the #1 guys for 10 - 15 other teams do? I think our TE situation is going to be fantastic in the future. Both rookies are players and Knox may be something special. But right now they're both still rookies developing their game. Knox is especially raw and just now learning the pass receiving game. Again, do people think our opponents are game planning these guys? Maybe by the end of the season they will be, but not yet. We had the 2nd worst O-line last season. The Bills have significantly upgraded this unit but right now they're at best middle of the pack in the NFL. If we didn't have such a mobile QB they would have given up a lot of sacks through the first 3 games. The improvement in our offense in all phases has been amazing and is a credit to the players, coaching staff and front office. This unit has made a huge jump from being at the bottom of the rankings. But let's not mistake this group for having the potential of being a high scoring machine - yet. They have a lot of work to do and that includes a lot more then just Allen. The turnover in personnel alone will probably take half a season to shake out. This is a defense first team. And frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by how well the O has played so far. If I'm going to complain about anything from yesterday it's that with the Bills still leading late in the 3rd quarter 14 - 7 the defense went soft allowing an 82 yard TD drive followed by a 60 yard FG drive. At home in front of a loud crowd an elite D should be able to shake off a terrible throw by a young QB and reestablish the dominance they had shown through almost 3 quarters of play. For the Bills to make the playoffs this year our O only has to be good. Our D has to be elite - at least in the top 5. if I have any angst after yesterdays win it's on the D. And frankly it's not very much angst because I'm confident this unit is a top 3 Defense. 5
LABILLBACKER Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Allen's TD:INT is not looking so great. Terry Bradshaw 212 TDS......210 INTS 4 SB'S 1 1
ClemsonBills Posted September 23, 2019 Posted September 23, 2019 You are right- so many qbs are ahead of him in different categories. So many of them are 0-3 or 1-2 as well... 3
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