Importance of Gore

[GregPersons]

Gore is a productive short yard runner. But there's huge value in having Gore's approach and work ethic, and setting positive example in a younger locker room. Same with Lorenzo. McDermott has said this. 

 

Singeltary, Gore, and Allen is a pretty dynamic running game.

[Prickly Pete]

I don't understand all the sentimentality about Gore. He is a 49er in my mind. I have very little investment in watching him. It's nice that he is 3rd all time (though I don't consider him anywhere near the talent of the guys around him), but it's a small footnote in this season for me.

 

He has had plenty of opportunities early in games, he's not just out there killing the clock (and even when you are killing the clock, the idea is to get more than 1.4 yards, ANY back can do that). 

 

Wait til we are in a playoff game and Gore strings together a few 1 yard gains on drive starts.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by 32ABBA

[Augie]

19 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

I don't understand all the sentimentality about Gore. He is a 49er in my mind. I have very little investment in watching him. It's nice that he is 3rd all time (though I don't consider him anywhere near the talent of the guys around him), but it's a small footnote in this season for me.

 

He has had plenty of opportunities early in games, he's not just out there killing the clock (and even when you are killing the clock, the idea is to get more than 1.4 yards, ANY back can do that). 

 

Wait til we are in a playoff game and Gore strings together a few 1 yard gains on drive starts.

 

 

 

I think Emmitt Smith is highly overrated. The guy played forever behind one of the best OLines in the league. I never thought he was anything special as a RB. Good, but FAR from the best ever. 

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think Emmitt Smith is highly overrated. The guy played forever behind one of the best OLines in the league. I never thought he was anything special as a RB. Good, but FAR from the best ever. 

I can’t agree more. Put Barry on the ‘90s Cowboys and they win at least two more super bowls. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

I can’t agree more. Put Barry on the ‘90s Cowboys and they win at least two more super bowls. 

 

Let him play another half dozen years because he doesn’t HATE playing on a lousy team, and I doubt anyone EVER catches him in yards. 

[Prickly Pete]

22 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Let him play another half dozen years because he doesn’t HATE playing on a lousy team, and I doubt anyone EVER catches him in yards. 

 

 

Sentimental feelings (he'll play for losers!), "off-field" value, and "intangibles".... he's done, and I won't mind a whit if he is retired to the sideline where he can work his magic just as well, at this point.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by 32ABBA

[John from Riverside]

9 hours ago, 32ABBA said:

At this point, does anyone else get a letdown whenever they see #20 on the field?

I'd rather see Yeldon out there, and let DiMarco handle the "just hold onto the ball and don't fumble" plays.

You would rather hold your breath to wait to see if a rb fumbles the ball?

[Prickly Pete]

39 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You would rather hold your breath to wait to see if a rb fumbles the ball?

 

So now he's out there as a "Non-Fumble Specialist"?... "He's the only guy that can do it!"

 

 

[John from Riverside]

47 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

So now he's out there as a "Non-Fumble Specialist"?... "He's the only guy that can do it!"

 

 

Basically......ever notice he gets the ball when we are next to our own goal line and not Devin?

 

I am not saying I agree with it....but I am saying that is why Yeldon doesnt get the ball

 

I think he is one and done this year.......but this year he is the "dont fumble specialist"

[Prickly Pete]

30 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Basically......ever notice he gets the ball when we are next to our own goal line and not Devin?

 

I am not saying I agree with it....but I am saying that is why Yeldon doesnt get the ball

 

I think he is one and done this year.......but this year he is the "dont fumble specialist"

 

 

6:40 Gore gets the ball near the goal line, twice ("Whew! So grateful we have Gore out there!")

 

 

 

 

 

10:28 Singletary by the goal line.

 

 

 

 

There is nothing special about Frank Gore in short yardage situations. There are LOTS of guys that can do the job BETTER. 

 

I already acknowledged that Yeldon is a fumble risk. 

I just cannot believe that there isn't a free agent, or practice squad guy that can both hold onto the ball, and better Gore's paltry YPA. It's awful, and getting worse. I understand the leadership stuff, and know they aren't going to humiliate him, but I think it could bite them in the ass at some point in the season.

 

He is alternating series with Singletary, and often gets the ball on the first play of the drive...and it goes nowhere....a wasted play. In the playoffs, against the elite teams, no room for wasting plays. I'm pretty sure the coaching staff is aware of this, but they are in a quandary, because they can't bench him. So instead they will regal us with tales of his leadership, and hedge his carries as best they can.

 

I'm sure he has been a positive force for the team, but now I think it is quickly becoming "diminishing returns".

 

WE SHALL SEE.

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by 32ABBA

[Prickly Pete]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Let him play another half dozen years because he doesn’t HATE playing on a lousy team, and I doubt anyone EVER catches him in yards. 

 

You are creating a myth around him, and then believing your own bull.

 

"I didn't come here for this....I came here to get into the tournament" - Frank Gore 2016

 

 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2016/10/17/doyel-colts-show-themselves-disastrous-closing-minutes/92053202/

Edited December 1, 2019 by 32ABBA

[John from Riverside]

50 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

6:40 Gore gets the ball near the goal line, twice ("Whew! So grateful we have Gore out there!")

 

 

 

 

 

10:28 Singletary by the goal line.

 

 

 

 

There is nothing special about Frank Gore in short yardage situations. There are LOTS of guys that can do the job BETTER. 

 

I already acknowledged that Yeldon is a fumble risk. 

I just cannot believe that there isn't a free agent, or practice squad guy that can both hold onto the ball, and better Gore's paltry YPA. It's awful, and getting worse. I understand the leadership stuff, and know they aren't going to humiliate him, but I think it could bite them in the ass at some point in the season.

 

He is alternating series with Singletary, and often gets the ball on the first play of the drive...and it goes nowhere....a wasted play. In the playoffs, against the elite teams, no room for wasting plays. I'm pretty sure the coaching staff is aware of this, but they are in a quandary, because they can't bench him. So instead they will regal us with tales of his leadership, and hedge his carries as best they can.

 

I'm sure he has been a positive force for the team, but now I think it is quickly becoming "diminishing returns".

 

WE SHALL SEE.

 

 

 

I just think his age has caught up with him as the season as wore on.   He def served his purpose earlier in the season but now its DS time....I get this feeling that if Gore gets the needed yardage to pass Sanders (which he will) this will be it or him....or he will be moving onto another team and we will place a big back with speed to pair with Devin going into next year.

 

Much respect to Gore  though...def HOF'r

[Prickly Pete]

17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I just think his age has caught up with him as the season as wore on.   He def served his purpose earlier in the season but now its DS time....I get this feeling that if Gore gets the needed yardage to pass Sanders (which he will) this will be it or him....or he will be moving onto another team and we will place a big back with speed to pair with Devin going into next year.

 

Much respect to Gore  though...def HOF'r

 

 

That's fine. I respect him (? he already passed Sanders. He will not catch up to Payton), but if coddling him is hurting the chances for my team, that I have followed for 40 years, that finally is making some headway after 20 years of futility, I will be super pissed if it gets in the way of their success.

 

 

Another myth I see around here "Singletary isn't big enough, or can't run up the middle, to get into the end zone in goal line situations"...Utter NONSENSE.

He was a touchdown MACHINE in college, and has an EXCEPTIONAL nose for the end zone. Up the middle or around the end, Devin gets in!

 

Look how many of the 33 TD's are from inside the 5...

 

 

 

If it's 4th and 1, I would MUCH rather see Singletary get the ball than Gore.

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by 32ABBA

[Augie]

6 hours ago, 32ABBA said:

 

You are creating a myth around him, and then believing your own bull.

 

"I didn't come here for this....I came here to get into the tournament" - Frank Gore 2016

 

 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2016/10/17/doyel-colts-show-themselves-disastrous-closing-minutes/92053202/

 

My own bull? I was referring to a comment about Barry Sanders. Sanders would FAR surpass anything Emmitt Smith produced if he had played for so many years behind those great OLines. Sanders didn’t want to play any longer for the lousy Lions. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough? (EDIT: it was about as clear as it could be, look directly above.) Either way................

 

 

P.S. - Sometimes it not just what you do (or say), but how you do it.  

 

 

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Edited December 1, 2019 by Augie

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

My own bull? I was referring to a comment about Barry Sanders. Sanders would FAR surpass anything Emmitt Smith produced if he had played for so many years behind those great OLines. Sanders didn’t want to play any longer for the lousy Lions. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough? Either way................

 

 

P.S. - Sometimes it not just what you do (or say), but how you do it.  

 

...Augie, you're FINE...consider the source......

[The Frankish Reich]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I just think his age has caught up with him as the season as wore on.   He def served his purpose earlier in the season but now its DS time....I get this feeling that if Gore gets the needed yardage to pass Sanders (which he will) this will be it or him....or he will be moving onto another team and we will place a big back with speed to pair with Devin going into next year.

 

Much respect to Gore  though...def HOF'r

I don't see that at all. The difference: he's not the feature back anymore. He's being used in short yardage situations, or in "protect the ball/the defense knows you're running" situations, and the YPC reflects that. He's a great option to have if Singletary can't hold up under the high usage - since he took over as the feature back, he's had the following number of touches: 23, 11 (Cleveland), 16, 22, 17.  He's doing great so far, but this is, of course, his first spell of extended usage in the NFL. I see nothing changed about Frank Gore, who seems (remarkably) to be the exact same guy he's been since roughly 2010, a kind of modern day Leroy Hoard: you need a yard, I'll get you two. You need 5 yards, I'll get you 4.

[freddyjj]

Here is a pretty nice article on his qualifications for the HOF

 

https://lastwordonprofootball.com/2019/12/02/frank-gore-buffalo-bills/

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Singletary is the type of runner that gets stronger the more carries he gets. In college it was like he was feeling out the speed of the defense and taking advantage of its weaknesses. I think he should be getting no less than 22 carries a game. 

[JoshAllin]

On 12/1/2019 at 4:39 AM, 32ABBA said:

Look how many of the 33 TD's are from inside the 5...

 

 

 

If it's 4th and 1, I would MUCH rather see Singletary get the ball than Gore.

 

Hopefully they unleash him in the playoffs in goaline situations