muppy Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 1:37 PM, Chandler#81 said: Makes for an inexpensive Christmas! Expand no to mention Halloween..I could see some funny Halloween costumes from this couldn't you? Put a sign on him "will work for food" ...LOL Edited September 21, 2019 by Margarita 2
PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 5:28 PM, Chris66 said: Sounds like paper money spent. Not real dollars. Expand WTF do you think it is? Monopoly money? Cap space is the only real money teams worry about and the Pats might have flushed $9MM of theirs. Fact is Billy B really stepped in it. Fatal error? No. But he weakened his team. 1
Doc Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:24 PM, SirAndrew said: This might have something to do with it too. https://triblive.com/sports/audio-released-of-chat-between-antonio-brown-drew-rosenhaus-during-steelers-trade-talks/ Expand A phone call that could have been recorded anywhere and at any time? Color me unimpressed. On 9/21/2019 at 4:48 PM, NoSaint said: Ultimately, exactly what he signed in Oakland too Expand True. But they're still out a 3rd and a 5th. On 9/21/2019 at 4:58 PM, WideNine said: Clever and I do think they did kick the tires and then did a bunch of backtracking after. Expand Good analogy but bad analysis. Kicking the tires and not doing anything more is fine and there's no need for backtracking. Spending a lot to get the car knowing, or at least having a strong suspicion, that it's a lemon and will only die/quit on you is on you. 1
Chris66 Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 7:14 PM, PromoTheRobot said: WTF do you think it is? Monopoly money? Cap space is the only real money teams worry about and the Pats might have flushed $9MM of theirs. Fact is Billy B really stepped in it. Fatal error? No. But he weakened his team. Expand Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend. 2
SirAndrew Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 7:21 PM, Doc said: A phone call that could have been recorded anywhere and at any time? Color me unimpressed. True. But they're still out a 3rd and a 5th. Good analogy but bad analysis. Kicking the tires and not doing anything more is fine and there's no need for backtracking. Spending a lot to get the car knowing, or at least having a strong suspicion, that it's a lemon and will only die/quit on you is on you. Expand I think this is just one case where I’ll have to agree to disagree with you. In my mind it’s completely plausible that Brown would have no interest in coming to Buffalo. He’s a diva who wanted a big market. All the money in the world wouldn’t have mattered imo. It’s not like he’s known for his wise decision making.
Doc Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 7:26 PM, SirAndrew said: I think this is just one case where I’ll have to agree to disagree with you. In my mind it’s completely plausible that Brown would have no interest in coming to Buffalo. He’s a diva who wanted a big market. All the money in the world wouldn’t have mattered imo. It’s not like he’s known for his wise decision making. Expand The flaw in your argument is that he went to Oakland. For big money.
Doc Brown Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 7:23 PM, Chris66 said: Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend. Expand If that's true the Steelers would've given Bell a fat contract. Gordon would have a new contract with the Chargers. Brady would be the highest paid QB in the league. The Texans would've made Clowney the highest paid DE in the league. I think you get my point.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 7:23 PM, Chris66 said: Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend. Expand Riiiiiigghht. Edited September 21, 2019 by PromoTheRobot
Rocket94 Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 5:55 PM, jkeerie said: The Pats also don't care. They are all about winning...no matter what. They were all in on AB (Kraft, Belicheck, Brady, the fans) until the story got too big and too bad. They get no points for anything. Expand It is almost like, Welcome to the machine, this is what we do, this is how we do it, and this is what we want from. Your role is pre defined for you. As long as you honor your role, we dont care what you did in the past, but there is zero tolerance for it here. If you deviate from your role, we reserve the right to terminate you. Got it? Good now suit up! Edited September 21, 2019 by Rocket94 1
ColoradoBills Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 7:23 PM, Chris66 said: Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend. Expand You do realize real money spent is reflected and tracked thru the cap dollars. If you truly believe what you just said you don't understand football finances.
Chris66 Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 7:59 PM, ColoradoBills said: You do realize real money spent is reflected and tracked thru the cap dollars. If you truly believe what you just said you don't understand football finances. Expand If your statement was true there would be no need for a floor which is actual dollars a team needs to spend. Which is different from the cap. Cap can be manipulated. Teams do it all the time. AB has a 5 million cap hit but only received $153,000 Edited September 21, 2019 by Chris66
Rocky Landing Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 8:12 PM, Chris66 said: If your statement was true there would be no need for a floor which is actual dollars a team needs to spend. Which is different from the cap. Cap can be manipulated. Teams do it all the time. Expand And why would teams worry about manipulating their cap space if it wasn't a concern? The bottom line is that cap space restricts the amount of assets a team can acquire. If you don't think that's a worry for teams that don't have a lot of cap space, manipulations notwithstanding, then ColoradoBills fan is right-- you don't understand football finances. 1
ColoradoBills Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 8:12 PM, Chris66 said: If your statement was true there would be no need for a floor which is actual dollars a team needs to spend. Which is different from the cap. Cap can be manipulated. Teams do it all the time. AB has a 5 million cap hit but only received $153,000 Expand The cap dollars are a reflection of the contracts. IF the Pats* cannot get the signing bonus of ABs off the books they will HAVE to pay him the cash. IF the Pats* had already paid him the bonus and got it back thru arbitration the cap dollars would get reimbursed. All teams have the option of paying between the floor and the CAP (which is the maximum they can spend).
Chris66 Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 Then answer this what is the bill cap number this year vs actual dollars spent
Andrew Son Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 Guys, take it easy on him, he's still trying to figure out ideal gas law.
Chris66 Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 8:26 PM, ColoradoBills said: The cap dollars are a reflection of the contracts. IF the Pats* cannot get the signing bonus of ABs off the books they will HAVE to pay him the cash. IF the Pats* had already paid him the bonus and got it back thru arbitration the cap dollars would get reimbursed. All teams have the option of paying between the floor and the CAP (which is the maximum they can spend). Expand See thats where your wrong. Pats have paid 153000 but not the 5 million but have dead cap of 5 which probably wont come off the books.. Only the nhl has a true cap. 1
Mr. WEO Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:00 PM, Doc said: Beane probably looked into Brown's past himself. Using contacts and such. It's a large investment he would be making. Expand On 9/21/2019 at 4:04 PM, Doc said: Every team had interest. Hell the Cheaters were willing to offer a 1st rounder. I've never said otherwise. But "right price" means taking over his existing contract, i.e. no new contract and no guaranteed money. Expand See above... You can't both argue that Beane would have taken AB for the right price AND argue that the Bills "probably" knew about all of the stuff that has come out in the past 11 days. In fact, your suggestion that their "contacts and such" could have produced info no other team had (and had, given it's AB, astonishingly evaded ALL forms of media to that point) is another whopper of a fabrication. On 9/21/2019 at 4:07 PM, Buffalo Boy said: Coaches and GMs have learning curves too. I take this as s bullet dodged and hopefully a lesson learned by McBean Expand There's absolutely nothing wrong with Beane having "kicked the tires" on a an AB price for signing. It's his job to find the best talent for the right price. It's amazing how some here STILL don't understand this. 1
ColoradoBills Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 8:30 PM, Chris66 said: See thats where your wrong. Pats have paid 153000 but not the 5 million but have dead cap of 5 which probably wont come off the books.. Only the nhl has a true cap. Expand ABs contract stated that the Pats* would pay him the 5 million on Monday. IF they don't AB will "sue" for the money. If he loses the 5 million will get wiped from the books. You keep an eye on it. It's they way the accounting works.
Teddy KGB Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 7:14 PM, PromoTheRobot said: WTF do you think it is? Monopoly money? Cap space is the only real money teams worry about and the Pats might have flushed $9MM of theirs. Fact is Billy B really stepped in it. Fatal error? No. But he weakened his team. Expand Now they will only win 13 games ??♂️
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