OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 3:23 PM, SirAndrew said: When the Brown trade didn’t happen there were dozens of conflicting articles regarding why he didn’t end up in Buffalo. Some of those articles stated that Rosenhaus wouldn’t even give the Bills Brown’s number because he knew Brown wouldn’t go there. In a phone call with Rosenhaus, Brown agreed that he had no interest in Buffalo. If this is the case, the financial aspect and whether or not Beane had dirt on Brown is irrelevant. Brown simply wasn’t coming here. Who knows what would have happened had he been willing to. Beane (who I do like as GM) now comes out smelling like a rose because of it. Expand ...not even sure if McBeane merely inquired or whether a preliminary deal was sketched out.....cannot see McDermott being "100% all in" on a clown who would fit the "process" like a size 14 foot in a size 6 shoe....strictly my opinion (with respect for those that differ), but I find it hard to believe that signing this azzclown in their analysis would not lead to and "Excedrin overdose"......... Edited September 21, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Doc Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 3:37 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...not even sure if McBeane merely inquired or whether a preliminary deal was sketched out.....cannot see McDermott being "100% all in" on a clown who would fit the "process" like a size 14 foot in a size 6 shoe....strictly my opinion (with respect for those that differ), but I find it hard to believe that signing this azzclown in their analysis would not lead to and "Excedrin overdose"......... Expand It was likely just an inquiry. A trade deal would only have been worked-out if they agreed on a contract with Brown, because the larger the contract, the lower the trade compensation. Edited September 21, 2019 by Doc
Mr. WEO Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 2:55 PM, Doc said: Benjamin Allbright tweeted that teams, including the Bills, backed-off when they heard his contract demands, plus the need to surrender a pick or picks, so there wasn't a market for him. It's also possible they knew of his off-field stuff. Only 1 team was willing to pay him, Oakland, so he signed with them and they got burned for it. Expand That is extremely unlikely. If they had known they would not have asked what the price was. Clearly AB and his agent would not have been, at that time, telling potential teams what was coming in the form of a possible civil suit. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 3:45 PM, Doc said: It was likely just an inquiry. A deal would only have been worked-out if they agreed on a contract with Brown, because the more the contract, the lower the trade compensation. Expand ...agree Doc.....this is getting juicier than a "Susan Lucci soap".....read a PFT post last night where someone said all of these recent indiscretion revelations have been launched by anti-Pats fans to force Belichick to release him.....LMAO......it's a conspiracy and he's the VICTIM............ 2
Albany,n.y. Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 All this negativity, look at the positive side: He lasted almost twice as long in New England as Anthony Scaramucci lasted in Washington.
SirAndrew Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 3:45 PM, Doc said: It was likely just an inquiry. A trade deal would only have been worked-out if they agreed on a contract with Brown, because the larger the contract, the lower the trade compensation. Expand I hear you, but it makes no sense to even inquire about a guy with a reputation of being toxic, if you weren’t somewhat interested. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just stating that I was always confused by Beane having any interest in Brown whatsoever. Edited September 21, 2019 by SirAndrew
Mr. WEO Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 3:56 PM, SirAndrew said: I hear you, but it makes no sense to even inquire about a guy with a reputation of being toxic, if you weren’t somewhat interested. Expand Of course it doesn't. For the right price, the Bills would have taken him. No reason to believe otherwise.
Doc Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 3:51 PM, Mr. WEO said: That is extremely unlikely. If they had known they would not have asked what the price was. Clearly AB and his agent would not have been, at that time, telling potential teams what was coming in the form of a possible civil suit. Expand Beane probably looked into Brown's past himself. Using contacts and such. It's a large investment he would be making.
SirAndrew Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 3:59 PM, Mr. WEO said: Of course it doesn't. For the right price, the Bills would have taken him. No reason to believe otherwise. Expand Absolutely, plus he didn’t want to come here, so that’s a major issue too. The dude released a tape of himself telling Rosenhaus he didn’t want to come to Buffalo (so it’s certainly not fake news). Edited September 21, 2019 by SirAndrew
Doc Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 3:56 PM, SirAndrew said: I hear you, but it makes no sense to even inquire about a guy with a reputation of being toxic, if you weren’t somewhat interested. Expand Every team had interest. Hell the Cheaters were willing to offer a 1st rounder. On 9/21/2019 at 3:59 PM, Mr. WEO said: Of course it doesn't. For the right price, the Bills would have taken him. No reason to believe otherwise. Expand I've never said otherwise. But "right price" means taking over his existing contract, i.e. no new contract and no guaranteed money.
Buffalo Boy Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 3:59 PM, Mr. WEO said: Of course it doesn't. For the right price, the Bills would have taken him. No reason to believe otherwise. Expand Coaches and GMs have learning curves too. I take this as s bullet dodged and hopefully a lesson learned by McBean 1
NoSaint Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 3:01 PM, PromoTheRobot said: $9MM supposedly. $5MM in 2019. Let's not forget they traded WR D. Thomas away thinking AB would replace him. Now they are down 2 WRs. Expand I don’t think they expected much out of DT though, realistically On 9/21/2019 at 4:07 PM, Buffalo Boy said: Coaches and GMs have learning curves too. I take this as s bullet dodged and hopefully a lesson learned by McBean Expand Frankly, taking a risk on these guys is part of the game. I hope that brown going off the rails in a spectacular fashion does not scare him away from future opportunities. do your homework. Try to minimize risk. But still pull the trigger even if it’s not a promise to work out.
Doc Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:07 PM, Buffalo Boy said: Coaches and GMs have learning curves too. I take this as s bullet dodged and hopefully a lesson learned by McBean Expand There's no lesson for Beane to learn. He never made the deal. There is no harm in inquiring and if you never ask, you'll never know. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:07 PM, NoSaint said: I don’t think they expected much out of DT though, realistically Frankly, taking a risk on these guys is part of the game. I hope that brown going off the rails in a spectacular fashion does not scare him away from future opportunities. do your homework. Try to minimize risk. But still pull the trigger even if it’s not a promise to work out. Expand ...sure but structure the deal as Overdorf eloquently did with Richie.....pay as you go with a "no harm no foul out".....and if your potential signee doesn't bite, you know damn well he is not interested in fulfilling HIS commitment....
Doc Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:19 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...sure but structure the deal as Overdorf eloquently did with Richie.....pay as you go with a "no harm no foul out".....and if your potential signee doesn't bite, you know damn well he is not interested in fulfilling HIS commitment.... Expand And that looks like what they wanted to do. But Brown wanted to get paid.
Buffalo Boy Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:14 PM, Doc said: There's no lesson for Beane to learn. He never made the deal. There is no harm in inquiring and if you never ask, you'll never know. Expand We do not just learn from our own mistakes but from others if we are smart. I agree there is nothing wrong with kicking the tires but every GM has to know what is good for his team. The benefit of dropping a time bomb into a young locker room like ours is a mistake that I don’t want to see. The Pat situation is completely different 2
Gugny Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:14 PM, Doc said: There's no lesson for Beane to learn. He never made the deal. There is no harm in inquiring and if you never ask, you'll never know. Expand Agree 100%. My guess is that Beane proposed a true, "show me," deal with no guaranteed money, but plenty of incentives. Absolutely zero harm, there, IMO. 1
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:07 PM, Buffalo Boy said: Coaches and GMs have learning curves too. I take this as s bullet dodged and hopefully a lesson learned by McBean Expand I think AB is a unique case. 1
SirAndrew Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:24 PM, Buffalo Boy said: We do not just learn from our own mistakes but from others if we are smart. I agree there is nothing wrong with kicking the tires but every GM has to know what is good for his team. The benefit of dropping a time bomb into a young locker room like ours is a mistake that I don’t want to see. The Pat situation is completely different Expand I agree. Even without the lawsuit situation, Brown would have never been good for this team. It was already common knowledge that he was a poor teammate/diva. My opinion might not mean much though, I also think the duo of Landry/Beckham will prove to be bad for Mayfield’s development. 1
NoSaint Posted September 21, 2019 Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 4:19 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...sure but structure the deal as Overdorf eloquently did with Richie.....pay as you go with a "no harm no foul out".....and if your potential signee doesn't bite, you know damn well he is not interested in fulfilling HIS commitment.... Expand Thats a bit presumptuous, as you never know what life might throw at a guy. Especially if some accusations have been false they could hesitate or they have other offers you may have to take on some risk. but you measure that vs the potential reward. In this case it was a lot like you throw out there. The raiders were flush with picks and lost a day two pick and zero dollars. I’m ok with risks like that for elite players theres no shoe fits all with these situations and despite it not working out for the raiders, I don’t think it was near the disaster some would probably suggest it was for them. If they make similar moves a couple times and hit on half... say two thirds get burned for one nutcase they cut and one nutcase that gives them an all pro performance on a reasonable contract... it’s not a terrible outcome as long as you are managing expectations and know what you are getting into On 9/21/2019 at 4:26 PM, Gugny said: Agree 100%. My guess is that Beane proposed a true, "show me," deal with no guaranteed money, but plenty of incentives. Absolutely zero harm, there, IMO. Expand Ultimately, exactly what he signed in Oakland too On 9/21/2019 at 4:24 PM, Buffalo Boy said: We do not just learn from our own mistakes but from others if we are smart. I agree there is nothing wrong with kicking the tires but every GM has to know what is good for his team. The benefit of dropping a time bomb into a young locker room like ours is a mistake that I don’t want to see. The Pat situation is completely different Expand Meh. It’s all how you manage it. If you have good leadership one would hope our young players might learn what not to be from that exposure if the player is a train wreck. If you have a young and volatile group without positive leaders it can go terrible for sure though
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