TheFunPolice Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 Yes, let's set it up so NE can "miraculously" win the 1st overall pick in a draft lottery
Golden Goat Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Typically those things are sorted out down the road. The important bit is having the right QB. I'd agree if they had a couple of cornerstones/pieces in place. They traded all of those away. He's going to get massacred. Edited September 19, 2019 by Golden Goat
Albany,n.y. Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, dneveu said: And I don't even know if it was smart - They got more time out of Luck, but manning was a beast with denver and helped them win a super bowl (kind of... he wasn't particularly good the year they won) Also, Indy fired the coach & GM, so if they were truly tanking like Miami, they wouldn't have cleaned house.
apuszczalowski Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: If it was patriots doin it would be ignored that’s how the NFL works It would be talked about how genius of a move it is for them to do it..... As for Miami, it's almost impossible to prove they AREN'T tanking/wasting this season. Of course there is no actual rule saying you have to try to win every game, so technically they aren't doing anything illegal. The only way to penalize them would be loss of draft picks, but then there would have to be a specific rule in place for them to have broke (unless they go after them and say they are throwing games due to gambling) To prevent it, the league needs to do like the rest and have a lottery draft so the worst record doesn't guarantee the top spot. And if they really want teams to avoid it, get rid of the way other sports weigh the odds based on standings. Just say if you don't make the playoffs your in the draft lottery and let all teams have the same odds. You will get rid of the idea that some people have that the draft rewards failure and teams will atleady try to put winning teams on the field
Nextmanup Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, Golden Goat said: I agree if they had a couple of cornerstones/pieces in place. They traded all of those away. He's going to get massacred. Yeah but so did Troy Aikman, before he and the Cowboys went on to win 3 Super Bowls. That can get sorted in a few seasons. Look at the Bills personnel turnover in 2 years.
Golden Goat Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Yeah but so did Troy Aikman, before he and the Cowboys went on to win 3 Super Bowls. That can get sorted in a few seasons. Look at the Bills personnel turnover in 2 years. How does he survive a few seasons?
Mojo44 Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Typically those things are sorted out down the road. The important bit is having the right QB. Even if they get to draft him, Tua might say. “ No way. Not there. Not going!” 1
Nextmanup Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: How does he survive a few seasons? The same way Aikman did. Are you old enough to remember the physical beating that guy took at the beginning of his career?
RochesterRob Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 The lottery invites its own shenanigans including putting the finger on the scale in favor of certain teams. Just limit the number of trades and high picks that a team can acquire in one cycle of the offseason and in season. Agree that nothing will come of this but will laugh if this investigation was started at the request of Bob Kraft.
Nextmanup Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: Even if they get to draft him, Tua might say. “ No way. Not there. Not going!” The odds of him putting on a Miami jersey, smiling, and going are much greater.
Mojo44 Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: The odds of him putting on a Miami jersey, smiling, and going are much greater. Greater than what?
ColoradoBills Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Yeah, but the league doesn't win if this backfires on the Miami organization and they remain lousy for a number of years due to the tank. They aren't concerned with preventing a successful Miami tank, they are concerned with the NFL's league wide image, and simply don't want this sort of thing to become the new norm around the league. But that's a contradiction. If Miami and it's tank leave them in purgatory for a number of seasons, what team would want to copy that? How many teams have traded their entire draft for a player like NO did years ago? None. IF Miami tanked fully a couple of years ago and had the 1st overall pick would they have drafted Trubisky, Mahomes or Watson? IF they drafted Mahomes and started him right away, would Mahomes have the kind of success that he has had OR could he have been ruined by a bad organization and team? IND tanking for Luck didn't get them to the Super Bowl either.
Golden Goat Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The same way Aikman did. Are you old enough to remember the physical beating that guy took at the beginning of his career? You're comparing a college kid who has proven nothing at the NFL level to a HOFer. We're done here. ? Oh, and maybe cut down on the "are you old enough" crap. It makes you look like you're -- not old enough.
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This will be about trying to discourage teams from doing this in the future, I think, rather than taking punitive action against Miami. They want to get the word out that if you tank, you're going to have to deal with a lot of investigative hassle and BS, hoping it discourages teams from going this route. At least that's my theory. It just seems like if you're going to investigate, the public will expect penalties to be levied, and that any type of action taken against owners/teams has the potential to be very biased and may even have to do with the marketing value of the team in question. (say a Dallas tank vs. a Buffalo tank, it's in the best interest of the league monetarily for Dallas to get the better players vs. Buffalo, more TV $$$$ in the end). Just seems like a slippery slope that is destined to be unfair.
ghostwriter Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 I have no problem with tanking for a year to secure a franchise QB, it’s part of the strategy of building a roster. I DO have a problem with tanking for multiple years like the Bills and Browns did for decades. Any owner that is looking just to ca$h in and is not committed to winning long term needs to gtfo of here.
Thunderstruck Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I'd rather they look into Tom Brady and the NE Patriots nefarious deeds Odds are, Brady plays the rest of this year and then Mahomes suddenly develops a major attitude problem next offseason that will get him released by the Chiefs
RochesterRob Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: It would be talked about how genius of a move it is for them to do it..... As for Miami, it's almost impossible to prove they AREN'T tanking/wasting this season. Of course there is no actual rule saying you have to try to win every game, so technically they aren't doing anything illegal. The only way to penalize them would be loss of draft picks, but then there would have to be a specific rule in place for them to have broke (unless they go after them and say they are throwing games due to gambling) To prevent it, the league needs to do like the rest and have a lottery draft so the worst record doesn't guarantee the top spot. And if they really want teams to avoid it, get rid of the way other sports weigh the odds based on standings. Just say if you don't make the playoffs your in the draft lottery and let all teams have the same odds. You will get rid of the idea that some people have that the draft rewards failure and teams will atleady try to put winning teams on the field I think gambling is at the root of the complaint against Miami. Probably some high rollers had their season laid out based on what Miami looked like post draft. Now all that is like paper blowing in the wind.
Alphadawg7 Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 Why do people care? Whose to say what is the right way and wrong way to rebuild a franchise? Whose to say if coaches see certain players or not as guys that fit their plans, scheme, culture, and system? I think Miami is foolish for trading their young talents like Minkah and Tunsil. But it’s also just an opinion without having any sort of knowledge or reasoning from Miami’s side. End of of the day, they should be free to reboot and rebuild the way they best see fit. Competition committee should only be involved if someone is violating something. Trading players for first round picks violates nothing. 3
Dan Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: That they care about. Patriots potential tampering? meh. Yeah. One team can lie, cheat and steal all they want ...but let's investigate the team that sucks. Cause that's what's wrong with the league. Wtf world do we live in.
apuszczalowski Posted September 19, 2019 Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I think gambling is at the root of the complaint against Miami. Probably some high rollers had their season laid out based on what Miami looked like post draft. Now all that is like paper blowing in the wind. I don't think any serious high roller had money on Miami going into the season as winners. They were going to be bad, just not historically bad like the have been
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