leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Did not. But it's an honor to be nominated. Humility now, ***** that’s easy. When you win, you’ll be insufferable. Probably a little crazy, too, like Joaquin Phoenix, though I think that’s in part because his parents saddles him a hard pronounce while naming his brother River. “Skye, mom, why didn’t you just go with Skye??” 1
DC Tom Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, dubs said: Coughlin’s other Law: Trolls claiming to be “big time lawyers” practice in their mothers basement. Or the back of a nail salon... 1
John Adams Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Foxx said: @John Adams your narrative keeps getting weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker and.... I can block you but I'd wonder if you can be a grown man and stop tagging other people here like a girl who just discovered social media. 1) Your posts are not so important and if I miss one, who cares, and why would you even care? 2) If I respond to you, I do. If not, get over it. You want my attention and maybe you'll get it, maybe not. Basically, act like a man FFS. As to your hero Solomon's tw at (censor got mad a that word), the State Department introduced Rudy to the Ukraine and has largely distanced themselves from most of his other dealings, and appears to be even annoyed by him (as are we all). More on Rudy's involvement to come and I would guess he's the next person to leave Trump Island. 4 hours ago, Crayola64 said: Arent you a 9/11 truther? Or am I confusing you with some other good There's a bunch of them here. The conspiracy gang. Foxx, Tasker, DR...Hedge is so far out there he probably thinks aliens did it. Edited September 27, 2019 by John Adams 1
jrober38 Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Do you think it was improper for Joe Biden's son to be on the board of a Natural Gas company in the Ukraine simply because of his access to the Vice President? Do you think it was improper of Joe Biden to lobby the Ukraine to open up new natural gas funding right before the above company hired his son? Honest questions. Do you have a problem with any of the above? Take Trump out of the equation. Just focus on Joe, as VP, using the power of his office to financially benefit his son. Is that not corruption in your mind? Or even the tiniest bit gross? I have a problem with all of this. I'd go as far as saying that he's become a political liability and should probably drop out of the race. I also have a problem with what Trump did. It doesn't have to be one or the other. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, John Adams said: There's a bunch of them here. The conspiracy gang. Foxx, Tasker, DR...Hedge is so far out there he probably thinks aliens did it. I've actually never opined on 9/11 on this site, other than the material facts which aren't controversial to my knowledge.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I have a problem with all of this. I'd go as far as saying that he's become a political liability and should probably drop out of the race. I also have a problem with what Trump did. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Trump didn't actually do anything though that I've seen. Had he put Jr on an energy board and badgered the Ukrainian president about calling off an investigation -- I'm right there with you. I've yet to see any evidence that Trump withheld money in order to pressure the Ukraine to play ball on Biden (the transcript doesn't show this -- I've heard the media and whistleblower say other people said this, but no evidence or confirmation). Short of that, Trump and the Ukrainian president were talking corruption in both countries, the 2016 election, and yes -- Biden's role in both. The narrative has to be really twisted and reliant on innuendo in order to make this story something nefarious/illegal/criminal on Trump's part. With Joe, and what he was maybe up to in the Ukraine, you don't have to twist it at all to at least be offended/outraged enough to want more questions asked. Trump is the head law enforcement official in the country, he has every right to ask about investigations impacting this country and others (imo). Especially if the alternative is that what's clearly gross on Joe's part is never addressed or looked into. The only way this is criminal or an attempt to interfere in 2020 is if you believe once a person declares they're running for office, anything they did in the past -- even potentially criminal/corrupt acts -- can't be investigated by the proper authorities. That, imo, reinforces the "swamp" (which covers both sides of the political aisle) as it establishes that the people in the club (gov't) can escape scrutiny just by being in the club itself. 1
jrober38 Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Trump didn't actually do anything though that I've seen. Had he put Jr on an energy board and badgered the Ukrainian president about calling off an investigation -- I'm right there with you. I've yet to see any evidence that Trump withheld money in order to pressure the Ukraine to play ball on Biden (the transcript doesn't show this -- I've heard the media and whistleblower say other people said this, but no evidence or confirmation). Short of that, Trump and the Ukrainian president were talking corruption in both countries, the 2016 election, and yes -- Biden's role in both. The narrative has to be really twisted and reliant on innuendo in order to make this story something nefarious/illegal/criminal on Trump's part. With Joe, and what he was maybe up to in the Ukraine, you don't have to twist it at all to at least be offended/outraged enough to want more questions asked. Trump is the head law enforcement official in the country, he has every right to ask about investigations impacting this country and others (imo). Especially if the alternative is that what's clearly gross on Joe's part is never addressed or looked into. The only way this is criminal or an attempt to interfere in 2020 is if you believe once a person declares they're running for office, anything they did in the past -- even potentially criminal/corrupt acts -- can't be investigated by the proper authorities. That, imo, reinforces the "swamp" (which covers both sides of the political aisle) as it establishes that the people in the club (gov't) can escape scrutiny just by being in the club itself. The issue is that Trump, as President, has unbelievable power to get other countries to do what he wants, and that could be to attack his political enemies domestically. That's the whole issue. He can do what no one else in the world can do because he's the most powerful person in the world. It's the abuse of that power that can lead to problems. As for Biden, my understanding right now is that neither he or his son did anything illegal. Unethical for sure, but they don't appear to have broken any laws. The level of his hypocrisy I think disqualifies him from continuing to run. Edited September 27, 2019 by jrober38 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: The issue is that Trump, as President, has unbelievable power to get other countries to do what he wants, and that could be to attack his political enemies domestically. That's the whole issue. He can do what no one else in the world can do because he's the most powerful person in the world. It's the abuse of that power that can lead to problems. You do realize that's exactly what Barrack Obama did in 2016 to our elections, correct? And that's what this is really about. It's pure politics trying to get ahead of what's breaking by projecting their crimes onto Trump. This isn't theory by the way. It's proven with OS evidence that this is what happened. The only question left is how high the blowback will go when the media can no longer ignore that story. That happens once the FISA report drops -- which is due in October. 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: As for Biden, my understanding right now is that neither he or his son did anything illegal. Unethical for sure, but they don't appear to have broken any laws. Which may well be true -- but let's see them prove it. Because the appearance is bad as I laid out above. And it's never truly been examined. ******************************* He'd have reason to lie (though not under oath) -- which is all the more reason Joe should be asked questions about this and the same transparency demanded of him that's been demanded of Trump. 2
jrober38 Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: You do realize that's exactly what Barrack Obama did in 2016 to our elections, correct? And that's what this is really about. It's pure politics trying to get ahead of what's breaking by projecting their crimes onto Trump. This isn't theory by the way. It's proven with OS evidence that this is what happened. The only question left is how high the blowback will go when the media can no longer ignore that story. That happens once the FISA report drops -- which is due in October. Which may well be true -- but let's see them prove it. Because the appearance is bad as I laid out above. And it's never truly been examined. Sorry, what did Obama do? Also, if Obama did it, I'd say that's inexcusable. Just because one guy did it doesn't mean the next guy can do it. That's not how you solve anything. Based off what I read no laws were broken by the Bidens. With that said, the video of him talking about withholding $1 billion unless they fire a prosecutor effectively ended his campaign in my eyes. Independent voters won't vote for a hypocrite democrat, so might as well drop out now since he's become so jeopardized as a candidate.
snafu Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The issue is that Trump, as President, has unbelievable power to get other countries to do what he wants, and that could be to attack his political enemies domestically. That's the whole issue. He can do what no one else in the world can do because he's the most powerful person in the world. It's the abuse of that power that can lead to problems. 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You do realize that's exactly what Barrack Obama did in 2016 to our elections, correct? And that's what this is really about. It's pure politics trying to get ahead of what's breaking by projecting their crimes onto Trump. I was just going to ask jrober a hypothetical about this: If Obama was running for re-election in 2016, would he or his administration have been properly investigating Trump and Trump’s campaign for Russian collusion? Or would his actions have opened an impeachment inquiry? Edit: you sort of answered this a minute before I posted. Edited September 27, 2019 by snafu
jrober38 Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He'd have reason to lie (though not under oath) -- which is all the more reason Joe should be asked questions about this and the same transparency demanded of him that's been demanded of Trump. Agreed. If Biden can't explain what happened, he should drop out of the race. Simple as that. 1 minute ago, snafu said: I was just going to ask jrober a hypothetical about this: If Obama was running for re-election in 2016, would he or his administration have been properly investigating Trump and Trump’s campaign for Russian collusion? Or would his actions have opened an impeachment inquiry? Sure. If Obama had done the same thing, and gone to a foreign government for dirt on his political opponent, I think that should be investigated as Trump will be investigated. There are no double standards in my eyes. Everyone needs to play by the same rules. 1 1
Warcodered Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, snafu said: I was just going to ask jrober a hypothetical about this: If Obama was running for re-election in 2016, would he or his administration have been properly investigating Trump and Trump’s campaign for Russian collusion? Or would his actions have opened an impeachment inquiry? Weren't both Clinton and Trump having investigations into them during the election one of which wasn't actually revealed to the public until after? Also did Obama direct the opening of either of those investigations? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Sorry, what did Obama do? Also, if Obama did it, I'd say that's inexcusable. Obama was illegally spying on multiple candidates on the opposing side during 2015 and 2016. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf He abused his massive powers of office to not only activate our own IC against political targets (not just Trump), but also enlisted the aid of our allies in the UK, New Zealand, Canada, France, and Italy to do the same. This, again, is not conjecture. It was done by his administration and with his full knowledge and approval. And it's not the only time he did it -- he got busted for spying on the media, as an example, during the Iran deal build up: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/05/26/true_extent_of_obamas_spying_on_the_press_revealed_475823.html He spied on Congress: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spying-senate-staffers But those got passes. Then he overstepped hugely in 2016 -- and is what the whole hub-bub is really about. 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Just because one guy did it doesn't mean the next guy can do it. That's not how you solve anything. I agree. And thus far, Trump has not done the same. He's been exposing the corruption -- and getting killed for it. Because what he's exposing is the rot on both sides of the aisle, not just the left. This abuse was done by W, likely by Clinton before him as well. Exposing the corruption, and holding people accountable for it, is what the chief law enforcement officer of the land should be doing (imo). Just now, Warcodered said: Weren't both Clinton and Trump having investigations into them during the election one of which wasn't actually revealed to the public until after? Also did Obama direct the opening of either of those investigations? The investigation into Trump was leaked to the NYT in October of 2016. It was leaked, for the purposes of influencing the election. And yes, imo Obama did direct them (though, that's not 100% proven quite yet) -- what is proven is that he was aware of it and demanded to be kept in the loop. Based off the document shared above though, it becomes much more plausible/likely/probable that he was aware from the start. Because Trump had to lose to keep what the FISC exposed in that memo from becoming public, let alone prosecutable. Which it is. 2 1
jrober38 Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Obama was illegally spying on multiple candidates on the opposing side during 2015 and 2016. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf He abused his massive powers of office to not only activate our own IC against political targets (not just Trump), but also enlisted the aid of our allies in the UK, New Zealand, Canada, France, and Italy to do the same. This, again, is not conjecture. It was done by his administration and with his full knowledge and approval. And it's not the only time he did it -- he got busted for spying on the media, as an example, during the Iran deal build up: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/05/26/true_extent_of_obamas_spying_on_the_press_revealed_475823.html He spied on Congress: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spying-senate-staffers But those got passes. Then he overstepped hugely in 2016 -- and is what the whole hub-bub is really about. I agree. And thus far, Trump has not done the same. He's been exposing the corruption -- and getting killed for it. Because what he's exposing is the rot on both sides of the aisle, not just the left. This abuse was done by W, likely by Clinton before him as well. Exposing the corruption, and holding people accountable for it, is what the chief law enforcement officer of the land should be doing (imo). Saying Trump has been exposing the corruption isn't based on facts. He wasn't successful finding anything on Biden, therefore we don't know what his intentions were because nothing played out. Judging by how he used the leaked democratic emails during the Presidential campaign to benefit himself politically, I don't see how this could even remotely be true. If Trump actually cared about exposing corruption, he'd have Hilary and a bunch of her co-conspirators behind bars. Edited September 27, 2019 by jrober38
snafu Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, Warcodered said: Weren't both Clinton and Trump having investigations into them during the election one of which wasn't actually revealed to the public until after? Also did Obama direct the opening of either of those investigations? I’m unsure about Obama’s role. I have some suspicions about whether he knew, since everything was handled by the head of any department investigating these matters. And, yes, there were ongoing investigations in 2016 — and if I’m not mistaken, at least Trump’s investigation called upon foreign resources for assistance (that’s for you @jrober38). That leads me to question that if it was okay in 2016, why wouldn’t it be okay now? The only real factual difference is that Trump is running for re-election. That shouldn’t preclude a legit investigation of someone else running againt him, should it? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 52 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Saying Trump has been exposing the corruption isn't based on facts. Read that document and you'll see it is. That document does not declassed without Trump's approval -- and Coats resisted doing so for months. 52 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He wasn't successful finding anything on Biden, therefore we don't know what his intentions were because nothing played out. We don't know if he was successful on Biden or not, but remember the call was more about 2016 and Crowdstrike. If you're unfamiliar with who/what Crowdstrike is (and I wouldn't blame you if you weren't), they're referenced in that doc above and played a huge role in the spying/concealing of spying going on. And that's for sure going to be a part of the FISA investigation/report. Ask yourself why the FBI/CIA would rely on a private third party source for the entire forensic analysis of the central piece of evidence in the Russia investigation. Once you start to figure out how Crowdstrike fits in, the rest of what happened becomes easier to follow. 56 minutes ago, jrober38 said: If Trump actually cared about exposing corruption, he'd have Hilary and a bunch of her co-conspirators behind bars. Due process -- real due process -- is slow by design. That's what's been going on behind the scenes for two years of "RUSSIA!" -- and we're about to get one of two major payoffs: the FISA report and Durham's investigation into the same material (and more).
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 This seems like it would be really important, but those screaming “impeachment” seem to be ignoring it. Gee, I wonder why? 2
Deranged Rhino Posted September 27, 2019 Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Here comes the No Name of it all... https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2019/09/26/mccain-institute-head-kurt-volker-center-trump-ukraine-probe-asu-arizona-state-university/3776962002/?cid=twitter_azcentral And that will tie to her: https://112.international/article/nulands-successor-kurt-volker--us-new-special-representative-in-ukraine-18691.html And then you’re to the entire Clinton machine. 2
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