njbuff Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: . Impeach that damn sandwich.
Doc Brown Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 7 hours ago, DC Tom said: Why are YOU arguing this? Should Biden be immune from investigation because he's running for office, or not? If not, then what makes Trump discussing it (not even asking for an investigation - he asked for an investigation into Ukraine's role in the 2016 election; Biden came up later in the conversation) election interference and not foreign policy conducted under the guidelines of the 20 year old treaty signed by Clinton? Make a case. I'm begging you to make an actual case that the President can't request cooperation from an ally in a criminal investigation because a person in an unrelated, closed investigation is running for office. You can't. Unless new information is presented. The media has done a good job of selling this as corruption that has resonated more with the American people than the Russian BS ever did. Simply because it's easier to understand for the casual news viewer. I still am wondering why he thought releasing the original transcript with the line "I would like you to do us a favor though" was a good idea. My mind went straight to the Godfather when I read that. I'm also wondering why sending Rudy Giuliani who Trump labeled "rough around the edges" to Ukraine and then putting him on every news network they could was a good idea. 1
Tiberius Posted November 5, 2019 Author Posted November 5, 2019 13 hours ago, DC Tom said: So you're now arguing that he drew a red line and didn't go back on it? Lol, no I'm arguing it's a stupid argument to make that Trump was really concerned about corruption. And even more ridiculous to argue that an anti corruption Trump just happened to pick Ukraine and the Bidens out of the blue. Just a a stupid argument 11 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Hmmm so maybe if PPP stops engaging him? Oh no, the Russians are after me now
Teddy KGB Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 13 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Hmmm so maybe if PPP stops engaging him? I really don’t understand how everyone doesn’t have him blocked by now 2 1 4
row_33 Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 48 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: I really don’t understand how everyone doesn’t have him blocked by now i assume he has two dozen mults on here and 20 of them are "conservatives" pretending to argue with him 1
B-Man Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 MATT TAIBBI: The ‘Whistleblower’ Probably Isn’t: It’s an insult to real whistleblowers to use the term with the Ukrainegate protagonist. “Actual whistleblowers are alone. The Ukraine complaint seems to be the work of a group of people, supported by significant institutional power, not only in the intelligence community, but in the Democratic Party and the commercial press.” . 1 1
Tiberius Posted November 5, 2019 Author Posted November 5, 2019 The ambassador and state department official back up the WB Yovanovitch said she was perplexed by the efforts of Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to pressure Kiev to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, as well as claims about Ukraine’s involvement in 2016 election interference. “It’s not like we had a policy that Ukraine should not become involved in our domestic politics or, you know, somehow become involved in 2020 elections,” she said, “but clearly that is not in U.S. interests for Ukraine to start playing such a role.” “Would you call that, to some extent, antidemocratic?” an investigator asked. “I think that elections should be for Americans to decide,” she replied. Yovanovitch also said that Ukrainian Minister of the Interior Arsen Avakov expressed concerns to her about Ukraine getting into U.S. politics after communicating with Giuliani about Biden and the 2016 election at the beginning of this year. McKinley said that it was unprecedented for the State Department to be involved in digging up dirt on a president’s political opponents. “If I can underscore, in 37 years in the Foreign Service and different parts of the globe and working on many controversial issues, working 10 years back in Washington, I had never seen that,” McKinley said in his testimony. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/468910-five-takeaways-from-the-first-trump-impeachment-deposition-transcripts
Doc Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 "Digging up dirt" is the left's euphemism for "investigating past corruption." You say to-MAY-to... 1
Tiberius Posted November 5, 2019 Author Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: "Digging up dirt" is the left's euphemism for "investigating past corruption." You say to-MAY-to... Why not do it legally? He didn't have to black mail them
row_33 Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: "Digging up dirt" is the left's euphemism for "investigating past corruption." You say to-MAY-to... don't worry, the worm will turn and the Dems will be thrown under the bus with real evidence.... but it's still better to be running the country properly than being the loyal opposition Edited November 5, 2019 by row_33
Doc Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why not do it legally? He didn't have to black mail them He didn’t. Ask Zelensky.
Tiberius Posted November 5, 2019 Author Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: He didn’t. Ask Zelensky. Under oath? Nope Ask ambassador, ask Purple Heart recipient ask state department official Transcripts are available
dubs Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, Doc said: He didn’t. Ask Zelensky. according to reporting from John Solomon, Zelensky reopened the investigation into Burisma months before Trump and Zelensky even spoke.
DC Tom Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why not do it legally? He didn't have to black mail them ANY way he did it, you'd be calling illegal. Literally, you and your ilk have made the difference between "foreign policy" and "extortion" nothing more than partisan support.
row_33 Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: ANY way he did it, you'd be calling illegal. Literally, you and your ilk have made the difference between "foreign policy" and "extortion" nothing more than partisan support. who wants these "partisans" backing them up couldn't start a lawn mower, that bunch
Tiberius Posted November 5, 2019 Author Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: ANY way he did it, you'd be calling illegal. Literally, you and your ilk have made the difference between "foreign policy" and "extortion" nothing more than partisan support. No, that's just you rearranging arguments to make them look different. I think they call that "Spin" What do you care, the Senate won't hold him accountable
Warren Zevon Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: This is pretty ***** up. 2 hours ago, row_33 said: i assume he has two dozen mults on here and 20 of them are "conservatives" pretending to argue with him Ha! Just described DR to a T
Warren Zevon Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 lol Sondland somehow forgot this during his initial appearance Quid pro Quo Extortion ✔️ 1
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