keepthefaith Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Yes we was/is being black balled, that's why the NFL settled in the lawsuit he filed. If they were innocent there's no way the would've settled, especially on this topic, and would've gone to court so they could prove it. Did you forget already? It just happened 7 months ago. Must be that facts are hard when they don't fit your narrative. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-15/colin-kaepernick-settles-blacklisting-lawsuit-against-nfl You think a civil settlement is proof of guilt? Quite often it isn't.
IDBillzFan Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Kaep being blackballed is simply team owners' response to white america's calling for his head. All these other excuses like ability and distraction are BOGUS. He isnt signed for fear of backlash from white america. And many of you that would be "appalled" if he was signed are the same ones using these excuses. You hide behind them as to not admit that you dont want to see him play cause you feel he disrespected your country for the sake of bringing attention to an issue you love to believe doesn't exist. Nobody would be appalled if he was signed. In fact, we wish someone WOULD sign him so the SJWs who blame everything on white America would STFU for just a few minutes while we try to enjoy a sport we love which is only played for a short period every year. And in the end, this is the one truth folks like yourself have a hard time understanding; whine about Kaep all you want...just STFU while the season is playing out, and get out of the way of the TV so we can go back to enjoying the sport. When the season is over, whine all you want. Just stop ruining it for the people like us who love the game. 2
H2o Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: When you throw ALL the QBs in the NFL in a group, he's better than 2/3 of them, at least. Someone up thread already has shown his options at San Fran was opt out or be cut, so why are you using that in your argument. The NFL, just 7 months ago, settled his lawsuit against him when he sued them for teams colluding against him. With him being such a thorn in the side of the NFL and a lightning rod, don't you think if there was no collusion the NFL would've loved nothing else better, but to beat him in court? Come on, the facts say you're wrong. Again, like I told someone else, I'm not going to continue to go over and over the same things with you or anyone else. Go back to my original post on page 3, read the whole thing, and let it sink in.
Say When... Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Exactly. BEst thing anyone could do is just ignore the clown. B I N G O... he stands to gain more as a martyr than anything else, besides, look how easy it is.
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, StHustle said: Fake news??????? What an ignorant statement. Go back to la la land and keep living in your clueless world. Watch the vid, the actual incident he called a murder was so far from a murder by police. Wake up man.
Jobot Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: It has nothing to do with "causing a distraction" which is what the teams would like you to believe. How about AB in Oakland and now NE? Is he causing a distraction? It's about the members of one of the most elite clubs in the world colluding to send a message. Not to Kaepernick, but to any other future player who thinks he is bigger than the game. Message is heard loud and clear: "Tow the line or it will cost you your playing career." They are all willing to adopt this strategy because Kaepernick is not elite enough for any of them to break the agreement and sign him. They would all be doing it with AB too, if he wasn't as elite as he is! It all comes down to dollars and cents. The Kaepernick situation occurred simultaneously in time with the NFL starting to lose viewers and ratings. If I'm a business owner, and I know that hiring Kapernick has a chance to be the ONE thing that might negatively impact my revenue, you can sure bet that I'm not going to hire him. I don't need to collude with the other owners to do this. Edited September 18, 2019 by Jobot
Nextmanup Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jobot said: I think it's the reality of the situation. His actions piss off a lot of people (right or wrong), so as an owner, you'd have to ask yourself if it's worth pissing off a huge chunk of your fan base. So far, NFL owners have all aired on the side of not wanting to deal with this and I doubt it will change. It's not that. See my post above. It's a message, and it's not even directed to Kaep! It's directed to the next guy who thinks he can be bigger than the game. They are willing to make an example out of Kaepernick b/c ultimately, he's not good enough. Edited September 18, 2019 by Nextmanup
Jobot Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, Nextmanup said: It's not that. See my post above. It's a message, and it's not even directed to Keep! It's directed to the next guy who thinks he can be bigger than the game. They are willing to make an example out of Kaepernick b/c ultimately, he's not good enough. I disagree, I think it's about him being a risk to ownership revenue that they're just unwilling to take.
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, Gavin in Va Beach said: No way. The NFL would have crushed the suit in court, but it would have been bad PR for them regardless, not to mention created some bad blood with the Players union. Making it go away with minimal publicity was the right choice. Not if the NFL knew they didn't collude. Proving their case in court would have put an end to it without the bad blood with anyone. That would've been saved for Kaep because he couldn't prove what he had been accusing the NFL of doing for a couple of years. In some cases it makes sense for a company to settle with an employee, with as much attention as this case has brought and the accusations this wasn't one of them.
StHustle Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: He did much more than kneel. He wore pig/cop socks to practice and showed them off. He used his post game interviews to express his views on non-football matters. He made statements not rooted in fact. The abusers in the league have been subject to league and legal and civil disciplines and they did not commit these acts on company time or property. There is a process in place to deal with that. CK could have come out years ago and stated that he made a mistake using company time for non-company business and for making defamatory remarks. He could have made a commitment not to continue to do that but to my knowledge he has made that promise. There is also a process in the private sector to weed out bad employees and he has been weeded out and with good cause. He's free to pursue any line of work he wants, even to play football if he presents himself as a good candidate. Here we are with another person and this BS "company time" excuse as if he were punching some clock and wasting company resources. Admit it was the cause he was fighting for and not how he went about it. If it were animal rights he was fighting for you would have no issues him "expressing his views on non-football matters" or anything else regarding it. Have some courage and be real with yourself.
keepthefaith Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 1 minute ago, klos63 said: The company time line is BS. Players do a lot of self promoting at games. Tebow used to kneel and pray on 'company time'. Bills players used to gather at midfield after the game and pray. That's non football stuff on 'company time'. Prayer is an accepted practice in many workplaces. Wearing pig socks and making defamatory remarks about police and feeding that to the media on company time is likely not an accepted practice by many employers. Employers can set the rules to a great extent in their workplaces. I know a media person who used his air time on TV while filming his own live show to speak out against something his employer disagreed with. He was fired while on the air. He has no grievance. He made a mistake and he paid the price. He has never been re-hired in that industry. He doesn't blame others or claim he's being blackballed. Employers make the rules.
Nextmanup Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, Jobot said: I disagree, I think it's about him being a risk to ownership revenue that they're just unwilling to take. I would suggest most team revenue streams come from sources beyond their own fanbase. At least in a market like Buffalo. Maybe that's wrong. How much revenue has AB cost Oakland? How much will he cost NE? The NFL is an invincible marketing machine that can't be broken right now, and the owners have more money than they can spend or lose in a lifetime. But we can agree to disagree.
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, H2o said: Again, like I told someone else, I'm not going to continue to go over and over the same things with you or anyone else. Go back to my original post on page 3, read the whole thing, and let it sink in. But you keep making these comments that have no thruth whatsoever. I mean I could just make stuff up and say hey I already broke it down. He was given the option to opt out or get cut NOT he simply opted out of his contract. He did NOT settle for $60,000,000 - $80,000,000, his and Eric Reid's settlement is said to be less than $10,000,000. Where are you getting all this bad info?
klos63 Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Prayer is an accepted practice in many workplaces. Wearing pig socks and making defamatory remarks about police and feeding that to the media on company time is likely not an accepted practice by many employers. Employers can set the rules to a great extent in their workplaces. I know a media person who used his air time on TV while filming his own live show to speak out against something his employer disagreed with. He was fired while on the air. He has no grievance. He made a mistake and he paid the price. He has never been re-hired in that industry. He doesn't blame others or claim he's being blackballed. Employers make the rules. Other players kneel as well. Other players complain about police brutality. they're not being blackballed.
keepthefaith Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, StHustle said: Here we are with another person and this BS "company time" excuse as if he were punching some clock and wasting company resources. Admit it was the cause he was fighting for and not how he went about it. If it were animal rights he was fighting for you would have no issues him "expressing his views on non-football matters" or anything else regarding it. Have some courage and be real with yourself. You've missed the point. If you disparage customers and other employees in public on company time and you refuse to change your behavior, you likely don't get re-hired. It's very easy to understand. 1
StHustle Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Nobody would be appalled if he was signed. In fact, we wish someone WOULD sign him so the SJWs who blame everything on white America would STFU for just a few minutes while we try to enjoy a sport we love which is only played for a short period every year. And in the end, this is the one truth folks like yourself have a hard time understanding; whine about Kaep all you want...just STFU while the season is playing out, and get out of the way of the TV so we can go back to enjoying the sport. the When the season is over, whine all you want. Just stop ruining it for the people like us who love the game. Nobody would be appalled? That statement right there shows you are out of touch with reality. Did you see the reaction to his Nike commercial? How may people decided to burn their NIKE merchandise and call for a boycott? It was the BLACK DOLLAR that made that marketing campaign a success. You are the exact type that I refer to in my posts about Kaep. The ones who rather take blue pill over the red pill so you can live life comfortably in blissful ignorance.
klos63 Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, keepthefaith said: You've missed the point. If you disparage customers and other employees in public on company time and you refuse to change your behavior, you likely don't get re-hired. It's very easy to understand. Now if you beat up customers you're ok.
Rob's House Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Not if the NFL knew they didn't collude. Proving their case in court would have put an end to it without the bad blood with anyone. That would've been saved for Kaep because he couldn't prove what he had been accusing the NFL of doing for a couple of years. In some cases it makes sense for a company to settle with an employee, with as much attention as this case has brought and the accusations this wasn't one of them. You haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about.
Solomon Grundy Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Jobot said: No team is gonna take him at this point. It causes too much of a distraction regardless of your opinion on the kneeling matter. A bigger distraction than AB??
Gavin in Va Beach Posted September 18, 2019 Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Not if the NFL knew they didn't collude. Proving their case in court would have put an end to it without the bad blood with anyone. That would've been saved for Kaep because he couldn't prove what he had been accusing the NFL of doing for a couple of years. In some cases it makes sense for a company to settle with an employee, with as much attention as this case has brought and the accusations this wasn't one of them. Agree to disagree. They would have won the court battle but risked looking very bad going against Kaepernick who enjoys broad support in the black/civil rights community. https://theundefeated.com/features/how-colin-kaepernick-became-a-cause-for-activists-civil-rights-groups/ A small settlement bought peace with Kaepernick, limited agitating the black/civil rights community, and allowed the NFL to start making other moves to bring back fans on both sides of the debate.
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