Time for Kaepernick to officially retire from NFL?

[prissythecat]

12 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

You mean the one being run in Baltimore to this day?

 

You don't go to the Super Bowl and then to the NFC Championship the following year with "gimmick" play. The people who compare Tim Tebow to Kaep are just being ignorant.

 

You're being a bit disingenous.    San Fran had a top rushing attack and defense to support Kaepernick during the Harbaugh years.  If you asked Kaepernick to carry a team using the same Read Option scheme without as good support on both sides of the ball,  you think he would still have done as well? 

[John from Riverside]

What happened to Colin is an absolute travesty.....never been in trouble with the law while several are and continue to play...never failed a drug test....

 

Because he fought for a cause he believed in.....he gets blackballed

[Gavin in Va Beach]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

While I completely disagree with Kaepernick's protest, it's a crime for the NFL to continue to blackball him, while allowing all kinds of lowlifes (lowlives?) to continue to play.  The whole "media circus" thing is garbage.  Would the Jets or Giants be more of a media circus than they are already?  The fact that this guy can't get a sniff when far inferior QB's are being signed is a travesty.    

 

I don't believe the NFL is 'blackballing' him. That would be all the owners got together and with the approval of the NFL offices voted/agreed no one would hire him, opening them up to a massive civil suit. The fact that Kaepernick and I forget the other player, took a small settlement to withdraw their collusion (or blackball) claim means they knew there was no real evidence to back it up. The settlement was chump change to the NFL, who likely only paid it get rid of the bad PR.

 

I  believe there are a few, if not more, team owners who would sign him, but ultimately don't want to deal with a possible backlash from their fan base and the headache that would result. That's not blackballing, but a reasonable business decision.

 

Honestly though, Miami should sign him. They are already a dumpster fire with low fan support and the headache from bad press couldn't get much worse. Plus they have a bonafides to justify this with their minority ownership group that includes Gloria Estefan and Serena Williams. They could spin this as a 2nd chance for Kaep, give some attention to the social justice angle in positive way, and create some buzz to distract from how bad the team is.

[H2o]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Have you spoken to Kaep and asked him if he DOESN'T want to be back in the NFL STRICTLY as a back up QB? Why would it be STRICTLY as a backup QB? Does he NOT get a chance, like everyone else, to compete for a starting gig?

It was in response to someone else's post there guy, but thanks for chiming in. There were reports that he did not want to come back to the NFL to be a backup. There were also reports that he was setting his asking price too high as he did with Seattle. He declined his own option in SF. Denver was going to trade for him, but he refused to re-work his contract. This is all of his own doing. If he was on a team for an entire offseason I'm sure he could get an opportunity. But is a team going to do research and draft a young guy they believe can be their franchise or are they going to invest heavily in a guy like Kaep who is 31, been out of the league for a few years now, and was never that great to begin with? How is this hard for people to grasp? 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

49 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

That was brutal, and often overlooked in the Kap discussions.

 

What some people have difficulty accepting is that, in the end, if Kap was still a good quarterback, he'd be playing for someone. He's not out of the league because of his protests. He's out because the league caught on to his style of play and he became obsolete.

 

As I've said repeatedly in other Kap threads, if Michael Vick can kill dogs by hanging them from trees, putting bullets in their heads or drowning them in a bucket of water...and come out of prison to a multi-million-dollar deal, they'll take anyone...provided you can play.

The NFL settling the lawsuit on teams colluding in not signing him says you are way off base on this one. In reality, which side is the one having difficulty accepting this? The facts say one thing, but you keep hanging on to the he's not good enough, which is about the most laughable argument you could make. The NFL is littered with horrible QBs. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-15/colin-kaepernick-settles-blacklisting-lawsuit-against-nfl

[Freddie's Dead]

4 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

 

I don't believe the NFL is 'blackballing' him. That would be all the owners got together and with the approval of the NFL offices voted/agreed no one would hire him, opening them up to a massive civil suit. The fact that Kaepernick and I forget the other player, took a small settlement to withdraw their collusion (or blackball) claim means they knew there was no real evidence to back it up. The settlement was chump change to the NFL, who likely only paid it get rid of the bad PR.

 

I  believe there are a few, if not more, team owners who would sign him, but ultimately don't want to deal with a possible backlash from their fan base and the headache that would result. That's not blackballing, but a reasonable business decision.

 

Honestly though, Miami should sign him. They are already a dumpster fire with low fan support and the headache from bad press couldn't get much worse. Plus they have a bonafides to justify this with their minority ownership group that includes Gloria Estefan and Serena Williams. They could spin this as a 2nd chance for Kaep, give some attention to the social justice angle in positive way, and create some buzz to distract from how bad the team is.

 

Interesting, I disagree with you and agree with the poster upthread who said that the NFL settled in order to bury the collusion, which would open them up to any number of anti-trust claims.  And so it goes.  Agree with your Miami take, and that's why I think the blackball still exists.

[StHustle]

18 minutes ago, Rico said:

There’s also a large percentage of America that enjoys watching bleeding hearts crying about poor Kaep, gotta keep them happy too.

 

You don't see anything wrong with this man being blackballed after breaking NO LAWS and cause ZERO DISCORD in his locker room? There were NO reports of any issues amongst his teammates with this. 

 

If Kaep was kneeling to bring more attention to some rare form of Cancer would all the patriotic Americans be so upset? Or was it the issue he was bringing attention to? The one that makes white america very uncomfortable?

 

I wish some of you people would have the balls to stand up and admit the REAL reason you are haoopy Kaep isn't playing and why you don't want him to play. Admit why you feel joy inside watching the blackballing play out as to be a message to the rest of the players to stay in your place. You can beat women, assault peopl, drink and drive, get caught with drugs etc etc but DONT EVER "disrespect" our country trying to bring attention to any of your imaginary injustices. You better make the political statement of STANDING for the flag like  good boy instead of exercising Freedoms THAT DONT VIOLATE ANY LAWS OR RULES and kneeling.

 

HAVE SOME COURAGE!

 

Stop hiding behind the "using employers time to protest" BS cause if it was for ANIMAL RIGHTS then Kaep would still be in the league. But it was or BLACK RIGHTS and so now he is BLACK BALLED.

[Gavin in Va Beach]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

The NFL settling the lawsuit on teams colluding in not signing him says you are way off base on this one. In reality, which side is the one having difficulty accepting this? The facts say one thing, but you keep hanging on to the he's not good enough, which is about the most laughable argument you could make. The NFL is littered with horrible QBs. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-15/colin-kaepernick-settles-blacklisting-lawsuit-against-nfl

 

Disagree. The settlement was chump change to the NFL. If Kaepernick, who has built a reputation as someone who fights for what he believes, really believed he was being blackballed and thought he could prove it then he never would have settled. This settlement was more of a way to save face for both parties and to keep legal fees from becoming more than they already were.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

30 minutes ago, Rico said:

There’s also a large percentage of America that enjoys watching bleeding hearts crying about poor Kaep, gotta keep them happy too.

 

...and I'm sure the alleged money he is/was commanding had absolutely NOTHING to do with his unemployment (COUGH)......

[Seven-N-Nine]

2 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

You don't see anything wrong with this man being blackballed after breaking NO LAWS and cause ZERO DISCORD in his locker room? There were NO reports of any issues amongst his teammates with this. 

 

If Kaep was kneeling to bring more attention to some rare form of Cancer would all the patriotic Americans be so upset? Or was it the issue he was bringing attention to? The one that makes white america very uncomfortable?

 

I wish some of you people would have the balls to stand up and admit the REAL reason you are haoopy Kaep isn't playing and why you don't want him to play. Admit why you feel joy inside watching the blackballing play out as to be a message to the rest of the players to stay in your place. You can beat women, assault peopl, drink and drive, get caught with drugs etc etc but DONT EVER "disrespect" our country trying to bring attention to any of your imaginary injustices. You better make the political statement of STANDING for the flag like  good boy instead of exercising Freedoms THAT DONT VIOLATE ANY LAWS OR RULES and kneeling.

 

HAVE SOME COURAGE!

 

Stop hiding behind the "using employers time to protest" BS cause if it was for ANIMAL RIGHTS then Kaep would still be in the league. But it was or BLACK RIGHTS and so now he is BLACK BALLED.

 

His whole crusade was based on fake news. See the Larry Elder vid a few posts back to get educated on the subject.

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

It was in response to someone else's post there guy, but thanks for chiming in. There were reports that he did not want to come back to the NFL to be a backup. There were also reports that he was setting his asking price too high as he did with Seattle. He declined his own option in SF. Denver was going to trade for him, but he refused to re-work his contract. This is all of his own doing. If he was on a team for an entire offseason I'm sure he could get an opportunity. But is a team going to do research and draft a young guy they believe can be their franchise or are they going to invest heavily in a guy like Kaep who is 31, been out of the league for a few years now, and was never that great to begin with? How is this hard for people to grasp? 

When you throw ALL the QBs in the NFL in a group, he's better than 2/3 of them, at least. Someone up thread already has shown his options at San Fran was opt out or be cut, so why are you using that in your argument.

 

The NFL, just 7 months ago, settled his lawsuit against him when he sued them for teams colluding against him. With him being such a thorn in the side of the NFL and a lightning rod, don't you think if there was no collusion the NFL would've loved nothing else better, but to beat him in court? Come on, the facts say you're wrong.

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, Jobot said:

No team is gonna take him at this point.  It causes too much of a distraction regardless of your opinion on the kneeling matter.

It has nothing to do with "causing a distraction" which is what the teams would like you to believe.

How about AB in Oakland and now NE?  Is he causing a distraction?

 

It's about the members of one of the most elite clubs in the world colluding to send a message.  Not to Kaepernick, but to any other future player who thinks he is bigger than the game.

 

Message is heard loud and clear: "Tow the line or it will cost you your playing career."

 

They are all willing to adopt this strategy because Kaepernick is not elite enough for any of them to break the agreement and sign him.

 

They would all be doing it with AB too, if he wasn't as elite as he is! 

 

 

[Utah John]

I think he was right about the protests, but the NFL is not going to allow itself to be shown up by a mere employee.  He was in decline when he stopped playing because he has a limited game and D coordinators had figured him out.  He could still be a better backup than what half the teams have for their backups.  But, he hasn't been in a training camp or OTAs, let alone regular season, for a couple of years.  The game has probably moved on.  For him to come to a team in QB need in the middle of a season would be incredibly hard.

 

Early after he left, I think there's no question he was blackballed.  At this point I think teams don't want him because he doesn't provide the skills they need.

[klos63]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...and I'm sure the alleged money he is/was commanding had absolutely NOTHING to do with his unemployment (COUGH)......

and how much is he 'allegedly' asking for?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

3 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

 

Disagree. The settlement was chump change to the NFL. If Kaepernick, who has built a reputation as someone who fights for what he believes, really believed he was being blackballed and thought he could prove it then he never would have settled. This settlement was more of a way to save face for both parties and to keep legal fees from becoming more than they already were.

No way, with what was at stake the NFL would've gladly spent a 100 million on this just finally beat & shut up the biggest thorn in their side in decades. People like Jerry Jones & Robert Kraft would've made sure of it.

[Jobot]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

 

I hear this argument all the time. What distraction are you speaking of? The media asking questions? This is a bogus argument at this point and Im tired of seeing it. Pure excuse.

 

I think it's the reality of the situation.  His actions piss off a lot of people (right or wrong), so as an owner, you'd have to ask yourself if it's worth pissing off a huge chunk of your fan base.  So far, NFL owners have all aired on the side of not wanting to deal with this and I doubt it will change.

[keepthefaith]

48 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Call it whatever you want, but blackballed is a pretty accurate term. He quietly knelt for about 40 seconds before the games started, other players still are doing that. We have domestic abusers that are in the league and by your definition, they are also lousy employees, yet most are still in the league. 

 

He did much more than kneel.  He wore pig/cop socks to practice and showed them off. He used his post game interviews to express his views on non-football matters.  He made statements not rooted in fact. 

 

The abusers in the league have been subject to league and legal and civil disciplines and they did not commit these acts on company time or property.  There is a process in place to deal with that.  CK could have come out years ago and stated that he made a mistake using company time for non-company business and for making defamatory remarks.  He could have made a commitment not to continue to do that but to my knowledge he has made that promise.

 

There is also a process in the private sector to weed out bad employees and he has been weeded out and with good cause.  He's free to pursue any line of work he wants, even to play football if he presents himself as a good candidate. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by keepthefaith

[klos63]

Just now, keepthefaith said:

 

He did much more than kneel.  He wore pig/cop socks to practice and showed them off. He used his post game interviews to express his views on non-football matters.  He made statements not rooted in fact. 

 

The abusers in the league have been subject to league and legal and civil disciplines and they did not commit these acts on company time or property.  There is a process in place to deal with that.  CK could have come out years ago and stated that he made a mistake using company time for non-company business and for making defamatory remarks.  He could have made a commitment not to continue to do that but to my knowledge he has nae that promise.

 

There is also a process in the private sector to weed out bad employees and he has been weeded out and with good cause.  He's free to pursue any line of work he wants, even to play football if he presents himself as a good candidate. 

The company time line is  BS. Players do a lot of self promoting at games. Tebow used to kneel and pray on 'company time'.  Bills players used to gather at midfield after the game and pray. That's non football stuff on 'company time'. 

[Gavin in Va Beach]

2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

No way, with what was at stake the NFL would've gladly spent a 100 million on this just finally beat & shut up the biggest thorn in their side in decades. People like Jerry Jones & Robert Kraft would've made sure of it.

No way. The NFL would have crushed the suit in court, but it would have been bad PR for them regardless, not to mention created some bad blood with the Players union. Making it go away with minimal publicity was the right choice.

[StHustle]

7 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

 

His whole crusade was based on fake news. See the Larry Elder vid a few posts back to get educated on the subject.

 

 

Fake news??????? What an ignorant statement. Go back to la la land and keep living in your clueless world.