ComradeKayAdams Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Please don't hold Allen to a higher standard than any other NFL QB. 65% is considered good. Every QB has some bad throws in any game. But he's not at 65%. He's only at 64.2% 64.2 < 65. Conclusion: bust. 1 9
Kelly the Dog Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 He had a lot more near perfect throws than misses and near misses. There are so many ways to look at these things. The one longer one that was caught by McKenzie was a little high. If he puts it right on the money it's probably a TD. If McKenzie keeps his balance after the jump it is probably a TD. But he made ten excellent throws today, and maybe 3-4 bad ones. The two rollout passes to Knox and Smoke were fantastic. He thread the needle a few times over the middle. The diving catch by Beasley was actually a great throw because a normal pass would have been blocked, so he changed his motion and threw it sidearm and it was not on the money but it was catchable. 8
CincyBillsFan Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The one in the endzone to Zay was not a drop. It was a slighty off target throw but it was an ad lib play by both at that point I think from a first look not really on either of them. I think the only "got to have that" drop today was Knox. But a lot of receivers catch that ball GunnerBill. I'll wait for the replay's but I thought it was a good throw under the circumstances.
GunnerBill Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: But a lot of receivers catch that ball GunnerBill. I'll wait for the replay's but I thought it was a good throw under the circumstances. I don't agree. I think that would have been a highlight catch. Laid out with a DB right there. I have been as critical as anyone of Zay Jones but that one is not a drop. I don't disagree that it was a good throw under the circumstances by the way... I think it was. I just don't think it was on anyone that it ended incomplete. Edited September 15, 2019 by GunnerBill 3
Bangarang Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: But a lot of receivers catch that ball GunnerBill. I'll wait for the replay's but I thought it was a good throw under the circumstances. It was a good throw in the sense that he was trying to make something happen and put the ball in a spot where only Zay could get it. Regardless, it’s a very difficult catch to make and it’s not one I’d expect a lot of guys to come down with. Edited September 15, 2019 by Bangarang 2
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: He threw some ropes today moving to his right that few qbs can make Only bad throw I can recall was throwing behind Zay on the crosser He is getting better week to week If he hits him in stride, I think he only had a safety to beat. But, it may have been a miscommunication on a hot read for all we know. Allen does need to take some heat off of certain throws as well. Those passes that bounce off of WRs will lead to INTs at times. All in all, very good day from Josh. 32 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Like I've said before, Allen's bad plays get magnified because of his reputation coming out of college. Last week I mentioned how Stafford almost gave the game away in overtime on a terrible throw against Arizona. Today Philip RIvers threw a terrible pass on 3rd and 19, into double coverage, into the endzone, with a minute left in the game and well within FG range to tie it up. If Allen throws that pass he is getting crucified. Every single QB throws horrible passes. Brady, Manning, Brees, etc., all throw bad passes. I'm not saying Allen is as nearly as accurate as these guys, but he is not nearly as inaccurate as some make him out to be. People are just cherry picking to fit their agenda. To be fair to Philthy, his kicker missed a couple FGs earlier, and he probably didn't want to put the game in the kicker's hands (feet). It wasn't a smart throw, but he was being uber aggressive for that reason IMO. Edited September 15, 2019 by Drunken Pygmy Goat
Socal-805 Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: at 7.6 YPA after being told for months that Allen is what he is: a sub 60% passer. I argued all offseason accuracy wasn't really his problem after actually watching and rewatching all of his passes along with several of his peers. I really thought he'd be over 60% this season and got a lot of pushback. Well, we're only 2 games in and today there were definitely some throws he missed (John Brown wants his Td Josh!!!) but, yet again, also throws that were missed by his targets: Knox for sure with a perfectly placed ball and couldn't tell what happened with the pass to Jones in the EZ, but looked like a drop. Last week we all saw the drops from Beasely. We as Bills fans are probably catching on that Allen can be an accurate QB. I wonder how long it takes everyone else to see it... H.O.F!
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That and missing Brown wide open for the TD early. They were the only two I thought were on Josh. Immediately after the play, I thought of a quote from Josh during camp, something about how hard it is to overthrow Smoke. Maybe he was a bit overconfident there, but it was a good read on the play. Edited September 15, 2019 by Drunken Pygmy Goat
Ray Finkel Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: at 7.6 YPA after being told for months that Allen is what he is: a sub 60% passer. I argued all offseason accuracy wasn't really his problem after actually watching and rewatching all of his passes along with several of his peers. I really thought he'd be over 60% this season and got a lot of pushback. Well, we're only 2 games in and today there were definitely some throws he missed (John Brown wants his Td Josh!!!) but, yet again, also throws that were missed by his targets: Knox for sure with a perfectly placed ball and couldn't tell what happened with the pass to Jones in the EZ, but looked like a drop. Last week we all saw the drops from Beasely. We as Bills fans are probably catching on that Allen can be an accurate QB. I wonder how long it takes everyone else to see it... I would like to see him improve on the long ball. He had Brown open by 4 yards and overthrew him. Hopefully he starts to put a little more air under it. 1
DuckyBoys Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: I would like to see him improve on the long ball. He had Brown open by 4 yards and overthrew him. Hopefully he starts to put a little more air under it. Early in the game I think he was over excited Eventually I think he will learn to dial those in 3
Buffalo Boy Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I’m waiting for the post that says he has to be over 70% Over 70 comes when you constantly dump the ball off on short slants and check downs. I only want to see that if we are up by 30?
Buffalo Boy Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Couldn't tell on the Zay EZ pass because of the camera angle and the broadcast didn't replay it for some reason so never got a good look. I'll take your word for it if you did. That Knox whiff was a killer and it seemed to also be the moment our offensive momentum just stopped today. I frame by framed it and it looked like it hit him in the hands on a well covered play that was thrown where only Zay could catch it. But, it was a bad angle from far away and I guess they didn’t have a better angle for a replay. Which begs the question: Why didn't they have more cameras on the play into the EZ? And, why do they not ALWAYS have a camera trained on the EZ line during kickoffs?
PromoTheRobot Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: I would like to see him improve on the long ball. He had Brown open by 4 yards and overthrew him. Hopefully he starts to put a little more air under it. So you're saying Allen isn't perfect like every other NFL QB is? 1
akm0404 Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Don't fixate on completion percentage - watch your QB in the pocket, watch him feel the rush and slide around accordingly, and watch whether he pushes the ball down the field or not. Then watch some other games and feel bad for the 20 teams in the league that have medium minus quarterbacks. 2 1
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: at 7.6 YPA after being told for months that Allen is what he is: a sub 60% passer. I argued all offseason accuracy wasn't really his problem after actually watching and rewatching all of his passes along with several of his peers. I really thought he'd be over 60% this season and got a lot of pushback. Well, we're only 2 games in and today there were definitely some throws he missed (John Brown wants his Td Josh!!!) but, yet again, also throws that were missed by his targets: Knox for sure with a perfectly placed ball and couldn't tell what happened with the pass to Jones in the EZ, but looked like a drop. Last week we all saw the drops from Beasely. We as Bills fans are probably catching on that Allen can be an accurate QB. I wonder how long it takes everyone else to see it... He has to keep it up.
MJS Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsRdue said: Some biased reporters never will admit it. They will stay on the Josh sucks bandwagon. No, they'll say that somehow Allen has improved his accuracy and that Daboll must be a QB whisperer, when in actuality Josh never had an accuracy problem. He just had scheme, support, and decision making problems. Well those are mostly fixed this year and suddenly Josh has a good completion percentage. I do think people will jump on his band wagon, but they will still be convinced that they were correct and that somehow Josh got better. 2 1
Augie Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: And fans. It seems they have been quiet recently, just waiting in the woods to let us hear from them. Give it time.....
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