Important shift in the right direction in Bills offensive philosophy.

[freddyjj]

  On 9/10/2019 at 3:50 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes.  An example of this would be our 2017 playoff game against Jax.  As was noted by the commentators, the Bills completely sold out on D to stop Fournette.  They dared Bortles to beat them passing, which under the weather conditions there, he could not do, but then we couldn't stop him scrambling.

 

 

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OK, I suffer from CRS, Can't Remember S#%$,  so please explain the weather in JAX on gameday that effected the passing game.

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[SCBills]

  On 9/9/2019 at 10:53 PM, Shaw66 said:

It isn't the ultimate goal.   Yes, they want to be "we want to do this, try to stop it,"  but there's another step.  The second step is if can stop it, we have something else that will work.  When we see your defense set up to stop A, we're doing B.  See if you can stop that, too.  

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HUGE when playing the Patriots since that defense always takes away Plan A.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

  On 9/9/2019 at 10:16 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

Agree, and think it is evidence that the DiMarco idea is a waste.

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When someone says something like this, I see a guy that doesn't read up on the Bills. That doesn't follow Cover1, Sal C., YPP, etc. A guy that doesn't actively try to learn about the game or the Bills game plan.  I see a guy that is ok talking out of his A**

[Dablitzkrieg]

  On 9/9/2019 at 10:39 PM, Bevis said:

There will be a game this season where they come out pounding the rock with Gore as a gameplan and I'll be pulling my hair out.

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Why?  Go watch the second half of the season and playoffs with New England.  They were successful when the game plan called for it.  It works when it is necessary!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

  On 9/9/2019 at 9:59 PM, PlayoffsPlease said:

Lets set execution, play calling and mistakes aside. 

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You should have thought of this Sunday when you were posting in the shout box 

[Mojo44]

This is why Beasley is so important.  They finally have an effective slot receiver. He makes those third and medium to long plays doable on a regular basis. The defense has to attend to him.  Also takes pressure off the speed guys. 

[MDH]

  On 9/10/2019 at 4:47 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

When someone says something like this, I see a guy that doesn't read up on the Bills. That doesn't follow Cover1, Sal C., YPP, etc. A guy that doesn't actively try to learn about the game or the Bills game plan.  I see a guy that is ok talking out of his A**

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WTF. Couldn't you have just said, "take a look at this cover 1 video, it might change your mind."

 

Why do people go out of their way to be an a**?

 

[PlayoffsPlease]

  On 9/10/2019 at 4:52 PM, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

You should have thought of this Sunday when you were posting in the shout box 

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you should get a life. 

 

During a game, execution playcalling and mistakes more or less decide the outcome.  A purely hypothetical discussion such as this can chose to ignore them. Do you always have trouble understanding things in context? 

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[Kelly the Dog]

  On 9/10/2019 at 4:47 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

When someone says something like this, I see a guy that doesn't read up on the Bills. That doesn't follow Cover1, Sal C., YPP, etc. A guy that doesn't actively try to learn about the game or the Bills game plan.  I see a guy that is ok talking out of his A**

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I did read all of that actually and still feel the same. There are some advantages but the fact is the real effective offense the Bills had was the one back, three wide one that featured a run game with Singletary and a downfield game with Brown as well as a short passing game. It’s almost inarguable. The DiMarco offense was limited and needed 10-12 play no mistake drives. 

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

  On 9/10/2019 at 5:01 PM, PlayoffsPlease said:

you should get a life. 

 

During a game, execution playcalling and mistakes more or less decide the outcome.  A purely hypothetical discussion such as this can chose to ignore them. Do you always have trouble understanding things in context? 

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Might I suggest you do the same.  

 

You trashed everyone and every thing on the team for hours while in the shout box, and you were arguing with dozens of people defending your rants. 

 

This isn't Vegas.  What happens in the SB doesn't stay in the SB.  

 

 

 

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[PlayoffsPlease]

  On 9/10/2019 at 5:09 PM, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Might I suggest you do the same.  

 

You trashed everyone and every thing for hours while int he shout box, you were arguing with dozens of people 

 

This isn't Vegas.  What happens in the SB doesn't stay in the SB.  

 

 

 

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You are the actual reason the ignore function is added to forums. I will be making use of that now. 

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

  On 9/10/2019 at 5:10 PM, PlayoffsPlease said:

You are the actual reason the block function is added to forums. I will be making use of that now. 

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Please do and Thank God!!!

 

[That's No Moon]

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

  On 9/10/2019 at 5:02 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

I did read all of that actually and still feel the same. There are some advantages but the fact is the real effective offense the Bills had was the one back, three wide one that featured a run game with Singletary and a downfield game with Brown as well as a short passing game. It’s almost inarguable. The DiMarco offense was limited and needed 10-12 play no mistake drives. 

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Really? 

 

1. There were run calls in the first half--Allen just checked out of them.

 

2. Josh's worst throws were in the second half, when they played the offense you are calling for.  I am talking about his two near interceptions. 

 

3. They moved the ball as well, if not better, in the first half, with DiMarco (who had 50% of snaps, btw).  They got burned by fluke turnovers that could literally have happened in any offensive formation. Fumble, tipped off Beasley, etc. 

 

  On 9/10/2019 at 4:59 PM, MDH said:

 

WTF. Couldn't you have just said, "take a look at this cover 1 video, it might change your mind."

 

Why do people go out of their way to be an a**?

 

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I understand your point. My gripe is with the poster. But, you are right, I came out hot. 

[Kelly the Dog]

  On 9/10/2019 at 5:29 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Really? 

 

1. There were run calls in the first half--Allen just checked out of them.

 

2. Josh's worst throws were in the second half, when they played the offense you are calling for.  I am talking about his two near interceptions. 

 

3. They moved the ball as well, if not better, in the first half, with DiMarco (who had 50% of snaps, btw).  They got burned by fluke turnovers that could literally have happened in any offensive formation. Fumble, tipped off Beasley, etc. 

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Yes really. My original point was precisely BECAUSE they checked out of called runs. I didn't fault Josh for doing it. He made the right call because the Jets didn't change. That was precisely my point. I didn't like the trade off. I like DiMarco. I like the idea of having him in at times and even splitting him out at times. I didn't like the one dimensional trade off the entire time.

 

And if you like an offense with a no threat fullback split wide forced into all short passes with no run game versus a three dimensional one with a run game, short and deep passing game have at it all day. 

 

The Jets told us before the game what they were going to do and then they did it. They were going to make Josh beat them with a short passing game planning on him making mistakes. That's kinda what happened. I don't think he was totally at fault but they were still all mistakes. When we took them out of that idea we succeeded. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 9/10/2019 at 1:59 AM, Reed83HOF said:

 

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 Throw and catch were masterful. Josh really looks like he is going to own the middle of the feild 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

  On 9/10/2019 at 5:43 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

Yes really. My original point was precisely BECAUSE they checked out of called runs. I didn't fault Josh for doing it. He made the right call because the Jets didn't change. That was precisely my point. I didn't like the trade off. I like DiMarco. I like the idea of having him in at times and even splitting him out at times. I didn't like the one dimensional trade off the entire time.

 

And if you like an offense with a no threat fullback split wide forced into all short passes with no run game versus a three dimensional one with a run game, short and deep passing game have at it all day. 

 

The Jets told us before the game what they were going to do and then they did it. They were going to make Josh beat them with a short passing game planning on him making mistakes. That's kinda what happened. I don't think he was totally at fault but they were still all mistakes. When we took them out of that idea we succeeded. 

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This is not a true statement.  DiMarco split out, it allowed Josh to ID the coverage with ease, and opened up easy throws elsewhere.  

 

In the alternative, it removes a linebacker from the box, and opens up Singletary for an easier run (Josh just didn't go for it).  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 9/9/2019 at 10:03 PM, DuckyBoys said:

Supports my belief that they truly believe in Josh Allen.  No more hiding the qb or limiting what he is allowed to do. Big proof was watching Allen constantly changing pays and moving guys pre snap  Now I'd like to see him recognize the place to go with the football pre snap quick and quicker as he gains experience

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Noticed that audible and reset stuff was every play almost on the first drive then it stopped.  I’m thinking the audibles were scripted as part of the first drive. 

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[Kelly the Dog]

  On 9/10/2019 at 5:54 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

This is not a true statement.  DiMarco split out, it allowed Josh to ID the coverage with ease, and opened up easy throws elsewhere.  

 

In the alternative, it removes a linebacker from the box, and opens up Singletary for an easier run (Josh just didn't go for it).  

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No, it adds an extra linebacker and then eliminates him. That is my entire point. It's like 10 on 10. I would rather have the split wide and extra WR so Singletary has more room to run, which is what happened later.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

  On 9/10/2019 at 6:06 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

No, it adds an extra linebacker and then eliminates him. That is my entire point. It's like 10 on 10. I would rather have the split wide and extra WR so Singletary has more room to run, which is what happened later.

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That just isn't true, you are replacing a LB (who was on DiMarco) with a DB (who is on the WR) who is in turn lining up close to the box. Once the run comes, the defense has an extra player to make the tackle. Adding the WR doesn't remove a guy from the box.  Motioning DiMarco outside, however, removes a run defender from the box.  

 

ALSO, if the defense is playing zone, it means there is a DB on DiMarco, leaving a LB/safety on a WR somewhere else, thereby creating a mismatch. 

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