First Half wasn't as awful as everyone is saying

[Hapless Bills Fan]

50 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

I agree, I saw some tweet by some boston  globe write that said “josh Allen, still terrible.” Not what I saw at the game at all. I thought Allen looked good, maybe a few nerves being week 1, but I think you see an even better Josh this week.

 

That is classic stat- and highlight-watching.  Bet on it: watched the highlight of the pick-6 etc and said "terrible".

 

I saw a lot of good stuff to build on that I certainly didn't see in the first half of last season.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, mjt328 said:

2.  Drive #3 (9 plays, 35 yards):  Another drive into scoring position, until the Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty on Jon Feliciano.

 

Did anyone see or hear what he actually said or did to get the penalty?  They never showed anything on the replay about it from what I saw.

[Mikey152]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Um, you're giving an excellent breakdown of why it was a bad throw by Allen.  A late throw to a WR who looks open, but that gives the safety time to get over and make the play, is a canonical "bad throw" in the NFL.  Allen must get it into his QB DNA that he does not have the velocity to beat NFL safeties on that throw, especially when he's on the run without time to set his feet.

 

I never said it was a smart decision...I'm not defending his choice, as clearly he misjudged how long the ball would take to get there when thrown on the run.

 

But you're wrong...he DID have time to set his feet.  At the very least he could have settled.  He wasn't rolling out so much as stepping up in the pocket.  But he got excited when he saw brown open and thought he could get it there. 

 

the whole point was yes, it was almost picked...but it wasn't a bad decision, it was bad mechanics by a young QB trying to make something happen. It's not like the safety was baiting him...he just made a nice play.  So as much as it could have been an interception, it was a lso really close to being 6.  So was the throw right before it with a super lucky pass break up by Mosley.

Edited September 9, 2019 by Mikey152

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Mikey152 said:

 

I never said it was a smart decision...I'm not defending his choice, as clearly he misjudged how long the ball would take to get there when thrown on the run.

 

But you're wrong...he DID have time to set his feet.  At the very least he could have settled.  He wasn't rolling out so much as stepping up in the pocket.  But he got excited when he saw brown open and thought he could get it there. 

 

the whole point was yes, it was almost picked...but it wasn't a bad decision, it was bad mechanics by a young QB trying to make something happen. It's not like the safety was baiting him...he just made a nice play.

 

I'll watch it on the coach's film and in slo-mo, but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.  It's possible that if Josh set his feet and put more zip on the ball, he could make it...but that's a high-risk throw in the NFL.

[billsfan1959]

11 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Did anyone see or hear what he actually said or did to get the penalty?  They never showed anything on the replay about it from what I saw.

If I am not mistaken, Mosley tackled Allen and, while on top of him, started pointing his finger into Allen's facemask and talking trash. Feliciano came to Allen's defense and received the penalty.

 

Edit: My mistake. Singletary came to Allen's defense. It was the same play that Mosley was taunting Allen. However, Feliciano pancaked a Jets defender and then stood over him taunting him. Same behavior by both, Feliciano gets a penalty - Mosley does not.

Edited September 9, 2019 by billsfan1959

[ngbills]

Unfortunately turnovers and penalties are part of the game. So cant say if you exclude those it was a good half etc. And you want to say exclude that...then it should go both ways were you include the dropped int's or mistakes by the jets defense.

 

That said, I would agree it was a decent performance and not as bad as it sounds (0 points, turnovers, etc.). Maybe I havent read or listened enough yet but I dont see a lot of Allen sucks like this thread is saying. There are always going to be the random people that say whatever. Most seem to agree there was some good and bad. Overall, Bills got bailed out by the defense. If the D does not show up in this game it could have been out of reach and that changes the whole game. Down only 16-0 in that kind of game kept the door open for the Bills to steal one. 

[Mikey152]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'll watch it on the coach's film and in slo-mo, but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.  It's possible that if Josh set his feet and put more zip on the ball, he could make it...but that's a high-risk throw in the NFL.

 

No doubt...but I also think it was a calculated one.  They were down 16 on the road.

 

To that point, he also just missed a TD to Brown on the play prior when Mosley threw his hands up with his back to the QB and got a PD.  Was decent position, but straight luck to get this arm on the ball. 9/10, John Brown down the seam against a LB with his back to the ball is a TD or penalty.

Edited September 9, 2019 by Mikey152

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I appreciate the well detailed post

we are just not good enough yet to consistently overcome multiple turnovers

 

Except, we literally just did.

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

No doubt...but I also think it was a calculated one.  They were down 16 on the road.

 

To that point, he also just missed a TD to Brown on the play prior when Mosley threw his hands up with his back to the QB and got a PD.  Was decent position, but straight luck to get this arm on the ball. 9/10, John Brown down the seam against a LB with his back to the ball is a TD or penalty.

I certainly am in the minority; however, I don't mind those "hero ball" throws now and then. It is so nice having a QB with that gunslinger mentality again. I love a QB that will take the short pass if he needs to, but, is always looking for that big play downfield. He will make some mistakes and he will make some big plays as well.

[Heitz]

1 hour ago, yungmack said:

Please note that it is more than likely Allen several times changed the play Daboll had called based on his reading of the Jets D. It sure looked that way to me.

 

I've been saying this as well and I think it's a little strange everyone is ignoring the fact that maybe Allen changed some run plays, to pass plays.  Maybe Daboll didn't call 400 passes to start the game.

 

Regardless, as has been pointed out, we were actually moving the ball in the 1st Quarter.  Just not quite far enough down the field!    

 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2019 by Heitz

[RememberTheRockpile]

30 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

For the last ? time it was -3 ? turnovers, look at the boxscore and stop reading fake news and repeating it like fact people

Just look at the boxscore and ignore the fact the only Jets turnover was on the last play of the game with no time on the clock that looked more like rugby than football. Ignore the fact that it was a desperation play where fumbling the ball was the better option to getting tackled with the ball. Technically you are correct it was a -3 turnover game but for all practical purposes it was a -4 turnover game.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

The defender was camped in front of the WR.  I don't think anyone believes  that was a "just missed" TD.    It was another "bad" throw by Allen.  This isn't Rodgers, Brees, etc. who you can say, "oh, random misplaced throw."   The 2 point conversion was a pinpoint throw by Darnold, not sure how that was luck.  That was a 5 year ago Big Ben type of play by Darnold.  

 

The Bills were a HOT MESS in the 1st half.  There is no way to sugarcoat it with "well, we almost didn't turn the ball over."  

 

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

The Bears D is the best in the NFL.  

 

The Jets have no secondary, and looked like the Bears D in the first half.  

 

[Bookie Man]

Yes this. My buddy whom I was watching the game with kept saying the offense is terrible, Daboll stinks. I was like cmon man. They were moving the ball, but kept shooting themselves in the foot. If Buffalo plays a semi clean first 3 quarters, they probably win by 14 +. 

[apuszczalowski]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Face it, four turnovers in a game much less a half of a game = terrible.  I am as happy as anyone to have a W but the likelihood of getting one when you lode the turnover battle, especially a -4, is exceptionally slim.  If this game were to repeat the turnover situation 15 more times the Bills are vying for the first pick in the next draft.

You're right, it wasn't a good half by Allen and the offence and the only reason it's now being looked as as being great was because they eventually one. The defence was excellent and made sure those mistakes didn't come back to bite them. If the defence wasn't good, or they couldn't pull off a comeback people would be looking back at the mistakes made in the first half.

 

They were very lucky that the defence played so well and the Jets couldn't capitalize on the mistakes, hopefully this is out of their system and its not going to happen again because they may not be so lucky against other teams.

[Socal-805]

 

 

4 turnovers in the 1st half - is brutal.

 

If this trend continues, it;s going to be a long season.

 

The W is great though.

 

!!

 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, apuszczalowski said:

You're right, it wasn't a good half by Allen and the offence and the only reason it's now being looked as as being great was because they eventually one. The defence was excellent and made sure those mistakes didn't come back to bite them. If the defence wasn't good, or they couldn't pull off a comeback people would be looking back at the mistakes made in the first half.

 

They were very lucky that the defence played so well and the Jets couldn't capitalize on the mistakes, hopefully this is out of their system and its not going to happen again because they may not be so lucky against other teams.

 

I'm convinced you didn't watch.

 

They moved the ball all day.

 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

In review of yesterday's game, I keep reading how terrible and ineffective the Bills offense was until the 4th Quarter.  I completely disagree.

Were they mistake prone and sloppy at times?  Absolutely.

But when you really break it down, the offense was consistently putting together strong drives for a good chunk of the day.

 

On the day, the Bills had the ball a total of 12 times. 

- One possession was the kneel down at the half. 

- One possession was running out the clock at the end of the game.

- Then you have the Cole Beasley bounce (pretty much a fluke), which was returned for a touchdown.  This drive was one play.

- Then you have the safety (bad call by the refs), which also lasted one play.

 

That leaves 8 true possessions for the Bills offense.

1.  Drive #1 (7 plays, 37 yards):  They easily marched down the field to the Jets 26 yard line.  Then Dion Dawkins missed a block, resulting in the sack/strip.

2.  Drive #3 (9 plays, 35 yards):  Another drive into scoring position, until the Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty on Jon Feliciano.

3.  Drive #4 (3 plays, 7 yards):  This was a really bad series, which also included the INT that was overturned by penalty.

4.  Drive #5 (9 plays, 58 yards):  Yet another very strong drive, ended by the botched snap on the QB sneak.

5.  Drive #6 (5 plays, 30 yards):  The offense was starting to move again.  Then we have the tipped pass, which was also intercepted.

6.  Drive #9 (9 plays, 50 yards):  Ended in our first 3 points of the day.

7.  Drive #10 (8 plays, 85 yards):  Touchdown

8.  Drive #11 (8 plays, 80 yards):  Touchdown

 

 

Bottom line... On a snap-by-snap basis, I felt like the Bills controlled the game on both sides.  Defense was outstanding all day.  The offense had some really bad bounces and bad luck.  They had some really bad mistakes at the wrong time.  The narrative is that something "woke the offense up" during the 4th quarter.  In reality, I think we just figured out how to finish our drives.

 

 

Thank you!  You literally just saved me the time I was gonna take to create basically this exact post. Well said and written!   

 

Like I mentioned in other threads, Allen wasn’t as bad as his critics will pounce on and actually played pretty well outside a few miscues, most of which were not on him.  Honestly, his worst play didn’t even count and that was the INT overturned by a penalty.  But there is also reason to believe he knew there was a flag and had a free play and took a chance.  So may not have even been as bad as it looked at the time.  

 

Neither fumble is totally on him, and 4th and 1 really isn’t on him either.  First one he got blindsided like you said.  One could argue throwing the ball away or securing the ball better, but really that was his OL failing to do his job.

 

Cole pick is all on Cole, end of story there.  And the batted at the line INT is just one of those things that happens to all QBs, and not a play that makes me concerned about Allen.

 

At the end of the day, he had the offense moving most the day and once they as a TEAM eliminated the mistakes, they punched in the ball in twice from 85 yards out each in the 4th quarter.

 

This is why I am not in agreement with those who said it was only because Mosley got hurt.  We moved the ball with Mosley in there too, just a few miscues by the TEAM created 3 self inflicted turnovers and one good play by the Jets DL to create another.  

 

I strongly feel we will be 3-0 when we face NE.  

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

People are looking at this all wrong. The Bills offense generated 26 ponts to the jets 7. That’s domination.  

Edited September 9, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

the safety was terrible play-calling

 

It's a better play call if Gore doesn't decide to cut left into the green guys instead of following the block which was pushing the Jets line back to the right.

[Socal-805]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm convinced you didn't watch.

 

They moved the ball all day.

 

 

 

They WERE moving the ball well, but if Josh Allen throws up 15 - 25 picks/INTS this season, the Bills will be drafting another QB real soon.