Gruden's destruction of the Raiders

[dave mcbride]

This is both well-reported and really, really damning: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/06/raiders-jon-gruden-mike-mayock-antonio-brown-mark-davis

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Just a shame Hard Knocks doesn’t get to tag along just as things are getting good! Interesting read, thanks for posting OP. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Damn....I forgot about the Bryant trade.  Steelers really have fleeced them twice with two different WR's.

[DD4Bills]

13 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Just a shame Hard Knocks doesn’t get to tag along just as things are getting good! Interesting read, thanks for posting OP. 

Maybe Amazon's "All or Nothing" crew can come in and continue the story.

[row_33]

they were totally destroyed years before Gruden's latest incarnation

 

[eball]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Mark Davis comes off as maybe an even bigger idiot than Gruden...

 

Absolutely.  And you've got to feel sorry for Del Rio.  It's like dating a girl who tells you if her ex-boyfriend ever is available again she's leaving you.

[TheFunPolice]

Weren't the Raiders already terrible?

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Weren't the Raiders already terrible?

 

 

 

...close, but MUCH closer now......think Davis should EXTEND Gruden...............

[Hapless Bills Fan]

LISTEN UP! 

Discuss the OP topic in this thread.

If you need to discuss your opinion on politics and the economy, take it elsewhere or to PPP

While you're at it, quit with the insult- slinging

 

I have other things to do than take the trash out of threads and dole warnings to keep a topical, football appropriate thread going so the ban hammer will start swinging hard else.

 

That is all.

[Coach Tuesday]

Based on that article it was Davis who destroyed the Raiders.  Which supports the Ben McAdoo Theory: anyone who sports a psychopath's haircut probably shouldn't be running a football team.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[Rico]

They may be a mess now, but I think all will be good once they make the move. Vegas Raiders!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...would not surprise me if Gruden/Davis say AB stays.......if Mayock disagrees, he should resign, save face, and return to NFLN/draft consulting work...this (DIS)organization could care less about image or embarrassment,.....

[Bangarang]

I’ll be shocked if 3 years from now Gruden is still the HC.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Absolutely.  And you've got to feel sorry for Del Rio.  It's like dating a girl who tells you if her ex-boyfriend ever is available again she's leaving you.

 

Indeed.  From the OP article:

"When Davis hired Jack Del Rio in 2015, after making yet another run at Gruden, he openly told his new head coach that he would continue trying to land the one who got away. “He was always very straightforward with the fact that he was in love with Jon, and if he had the chance, he was going to hire him,” Del Rio says now. “He said it every chance he got.”

I guess at least Mark Davis is consistent, but it kind of reminds me of the Demotivator poster: "Consistency.  It's only a virtue if you aren't a screw-up"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

they were totally destroyed years before Gruden's latest incarnation

 

But is that really true?  In the article, Vrentas and Bishop make the point that Del Rio led the Raiders to their best record in more than a decade in 2016.  It looked as though in his third year, Derek Carr was learning his craft and shaping into a guy they could win with.  They fell off a bit in 2017, having lost a couple key pieces and possibly by a foolish nostalgia for Marshawn Lynch among other things.

 

It was actually pretty inexplicable to me that they ditched del Rio for Gruden, but now it all makes sense.

 

[Say When...]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I guess at least Mark Davis is consistent, but it kind of reminds me of the Demotivator poster: "Consistency.  It's only a virtue if you aren't a screw-up"

 

LOVE despair.com - demotivational posters, i will laugh till i cry at some of them; the 'retired' ones are pure gold.

 

My past teams have bought me two that are hanging up in my office currently.

[dave mcbride]

29 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...would not surprise me if Gruden/Davis say AB stays.......if Mayock disagrees, he should resign, save face, and return to NFLN/draft consulting work...this (DIS)organization could care less about image or embarrassment,.....

If AB stays, Mayock basically needs to resign, if only for self-respect reasons.

 

EDIT: ... and it looks like Brown might be playing in game one: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/06/report-real-chance-antonio-brown-plays-monday/ .

Edited September 6, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Lurker]

Seems like a tabloid / LAMP-type article to me.  I stopped reading at this:

 

    "Only 10 members of the Raiders’ 53-man roster—and just six offensive and defensive starters—have been with the team since before Gruden’s return."

 

If that's a slag on Chucky, then couldn't the same thing be said for the Bills and McBeane?    Or most NFL head coaches coming to a new team...

[Lurker]

44 minutes ago, Say When... said:

LOVE despair.com - demotivational posters, i will laugh till i cry at some of them;

 

Seems appropriate for this article....

 

[dave mcbride]

14 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Seems like a tabloid / LAMP-type article to me.  I stopped reading at this:

 

    "Only 10 members of the Raiders’ 53-man roster—and just six offensive and defensive starters—have been with the team since before Gruden’s return."

 

If that's a slag on Chucky, then couldn't the same thing be said for the Bills and McBeane?    Or most NFL head coaches coming to a new team...

They were 12-4 two years before.