MJS Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: lol....the Rams probably should have saved their money and signed an average QB to take them to the SB...you don’t seriously believe that nonsense right? How much have you watched Goff? I've watched quite a bit and I think he is an ok QB. He definitely isn't clutch. He doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back. If the game is on the line and it is up to him to make a play, he probably won't make it. That's just not the kind of QB he is. You could definitely do worse though. Edited September 4, 2019 by MJS
Bangarang Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, MJS said: How much have you watched Goff? I've watched quite a bit and I think he is an ok QB. He definitely isn't clutch. He doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back. If the game is on the line and it is up to him to make a play, he probably won't make it. That's just not the kind of QB he is. You could definitely do worse though. Yikes 1
JoPar_v2 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: lol....the Rams probably should have saved their money and signed an average QB to take them to the SB...you don’t seriously believe that nonsense right? Not him, obviously, but I do think there’s a difference between an average QB and a “system” QB. I mean, many people here claim that the Bills “really didn’t mess up cuz Mahomes wouldn’t be that good here and hey we got Tre and Josh anyways.” Those people are using the system QB argument for the league MVP. And maybe they have a point? I don’t know. I don’t think Goff is necessarily an average QB, I just don’t like the contract. 1
Doc Brown Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, MJS said: I know a couple Rams fans. They aren't sold on Goff and make fun of him a lot. I think I'll trust McVay's judgment over random Rams fans. 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They make fun of their 3rd year qb who just took them to a SB. They sound smart. Im not sold on Allen. If I make fun of him after he leads us to the SB, please light me on fire. I remember when I was a kid in grade school and all these little twerps were running around yelling "Smelly Kelly" after one of our SB losses. That's how jaded people get...
MJS Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 Joe Flacco also took his team to a Superbowl (and won it!) and then got a huge payday afterwards. Are we pretending that he is, or ever was, an elite QB? If you are a QB in this league who doesn't suck, you get paid the big bucks. Doesn't make you elite, doesn't even make you good. If you are even average you will get paid and your team will not let you walk until they know they have a better option. Goff is a fine QB, but he certainly isn't elite and I doubt he ever will be. But he'll have a job for a long time and win lots of games if the team around him remains stacked (which it won't for long since he now will eat up a big chunk of the cap).
John from Riverside Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Element115 said: He's gotta win first. It will be a good problem to have
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Man.........he had 28 TD and 7 interceptions and went 11-4 in his second year..........I hope Josh Allen develops that slow. Do you know how the Rams called plays? How his HC covered for the fact Goff struggled to read a defense presnap early in the season?
LSHMEAB Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said: Not him, obviously, but I do think there’s a difference between an average QB and a “system” QB. I mean, many people here claim that the Bills “really didn’t mess up cuz Mahomes wouldn’t be that good here and hey we got Tre and Josh anyways.” Those people are using the system QB argument for the league MVP. And maybe they have a point? I don’t know. I don’t think Goff is necessarily an average QB, I just don’t like the contract. Different situations IMO. You watch Mahomes and his play jumps off the screen. Andy Reid has a rep for being a QB guru but he's only once(I believe) had a QB put up 30 TD's. Mahomes put up 50! When I watch Mahomes, I see a star who would thrive anywhere. Goff, I see a solid quarterback in an OUTSTANDING system. 2
JoPar_v2 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Different situations IMO. You watch Mahomes and his play jumps off the screen. Andy Reid has a rep for being a QB guru but he's only once(I believe) had a QB put up 30 TD's. Mahomes put up 50! When I watch Mahomes, I see a star who would thrive anywhere. Goff, I see a solid quarterback in an OUTSTANDING system. Exactly. And yet some think Mahomes just walked into a great situation and the Bills didn’t F up, in the same breath saying “yeah sure Goff deserves record-levels of guaranteed money because, uh, well McVay signed off on it.” It’s cognitive dissonance on a ridiculous scale. And you get it. Wonder what Mahomes’ extension is gonna look like?? or even Allen’s in a couple of years, if he ends up being competent. 1
Doc Brown Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Do you know how the Rams called plays? How his HC covered for the fact Goff struggled to read a defense presnap early in the season? What idiots the Rams are. They can just take any quarterback off the street and he'd succeed in that McVay's system while only having to pay him the league minimum. Tyree Jackson is available. Edited September 4, 2019 by Doc Brown
RobbRiddick Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 7 hours ago, StHustle said: Anyone else tired of hearing "largest ever" when it happens every year? My wife heard me say it every other day and is constantly telling me it's not true 1
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: So beat Drew Brees on road to win conference title and lost to Tom Brady in SB = crap(p)s the bed in playoffs? Again.......hope Josh Allen craps the bed like that in his third season. You can "not" think he's the best QB in the NFL and still admit he's had a very impressive start to his career. Goff is good. I think I might be the only guy high on him at times but I think he is a really good quarterback. I don't think he is elite, or is likely to be elite... but he is Matt Ryan or younger Eli Manning level for me. A guy who is gonna play well enough most years that as long as the team around him doesn't totally suck will have you in contention for the post-season. Do I think he is "worth" the highest guaranteed contract ever? No... but that is meaningless now anyone because every new QB contract breaks records in some way or another. I think Goff struggles with people's perceptions of him because of that first half a season starting in the dark final days of Jeff "no more 7-9 bull####" Fisher. The perception after that season was "Wentz - good; Goff - bad." People on here at the time will remember I went back and watched every snap of both and the truth was the tape showed Wentz's rookie year was a little worse than the perception and Goff's was a fair bit better. Wentz had the better year of the two but the gap was small in contrast to the public perception. I predicted on here before the 2017 season that Goff would take a big step forward. He did. I wasn't surprised. Like you - I think he played a good game in beating Brees in NOLA in the NFCCG last year, and yes, he struggled in the Superbowl. But I actually think McVay struggled more in the Superbowl. The Rams were outcoached more than they were outplayed in my opinion. Goff has to play better in those moments, no doubt, but a third year QB who didn't perform at his best in the biggest game against the greatest defensive coach of all time should not be used as a reason to dismiss and undermine everything he has done since he came into the league. 1
eball Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He just finished his 3rd year! Answer honestly. If Daboll (who isn’t on the same planet as McVay but let’s pretend) was thought to be in Allen’s ear but Allen put up Goff’s numbers. Are you complaining when the Bills pay Allen? I didn't complain about Goff's contract so I don't understand the point of the question. I also didn't say Goff "sucks" or "doesn't deserve to get paid" -- I asked a question about the value of having a coach in your ear reading the defense for you pre-snap, which is exactly what McVay is doing for Goff.
BuffaloBill Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You always hear about lockouts and strikes when the next CBA comes around, but fans need to have a voice also. This is getting way out of hand. NFL games are heading down the road of country clubs. It needs to stop. Fans need to fight back. You forget that most of the money comes from TV rights. So, as long as you watch the games on the tube then the game and players will collect. I agree with you that attending games is becoming a severe reach for many fans as ticket prices, parking and concessions become absurdly priced. 1
oldmanfan Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 Interesting. If they want to throw that kind of money at this kid, good for him. But my question is whether he's good enough to merit that once teams start to plan against McVay's schemes. You saw evidence of that in the Super Bowl when Belicheat shut them down. My gut is that the Rams will come back to earth a bit; I'm not convinced McVay is that much of a genius compared to the rest of the league. And with this contact and Donald's the Rams better win now or they will run into cap considerations and have to let some talent go in the upcoming years.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: You forget that most of the money comes from TV rights. So, as long as you watch the games on the tube then the game and players will collect. I agree with you that attending games is becoming a severe reach for many fans as ticket prices, parking and concessions become absurdly priced. ...the ordinary fan who was the cornerstone of NFL growth is now the forgotten child...TV revenues and corporate money made them expendable............
plenzmd1 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 good for Goff! Never understand the animosity for players when they get paid. To me, the interesting part of this contract is that it is almost 100% guaranteed, as we saw with Cousins. My hunch is that more and more players are going to stop giving the club options at the end of contracts as has been the case for the last 20 years. Players are going to say you are going to pay me $20M /yr for a 3 year deal, all $60M guaranteed, and unlike before it will not be structured as a 5 year, $100M deal with only $60M guaranteed. 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...the ordinary fan who was the cornerstone of NFL growth is now the forgotten child...TV revenues and corporate money made them expendable............ and that's what fans in the 70s said, and the 80s, and the 90s etc. Just where do you think TV revenues come from????
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: I didn't complain about Goff's contract so I don't understand the point of the question. I also didn't say Goff "sucks" or "doesn't deserve to get paid" -- I asked a question about the value of having a coach in your ear reading the defense for you pre-snap, which is exactly what McVay is doing for Goff. This is one of the most overplayed and overblown things I have ever heard in my years watching the NFL. All the up tempo stuff does is give McVay the chance to see and relay to Goff before the snap what the basic alignment is. Now while that helps a young Quarterback do we honestly believe that Jared Goff as a 3rd year NFL Quarterback doesn't know what cover 2 looks like vs Quarters or vs cover 0? Of course he does. There were games last year where the Rams (because their defense at times was vulnerable) slowed the game right down - they did it for a spell in the NFCCG too - and Goff still produced. I've heard people even go as far as suggesting McVay is reading what is going on post snap and deciding where the ball should be thrown. It is ludicrous. What started as an interesting tidbit - that McVay thinks an advantage of the up tempo stuff is it gives him a chance to see what the defense is doing before the snap - has turned into a monster where people basically pretend Jared Goff is a robot being controlled in his split second decision making by the voice of Sean McVay. A Quarterback and a playcaller being in sync is a good thing. It shouldn't be held up as evidence against that Quarterback being good. 3
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