YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 12:33 PM, DCOrange said: I think Zeke was overpaid on his rookie contract, much less the one he just signed. Was a stupid draft pick at the time and is a stupid signing now. Expand 1 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 1:51 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand I see what you did there @YoloinOhio, well played! However, doesn’t change the fact he’s still overpaid imho. If I can still get reasonably close to his production for a fraction of the cost, then why bother? Need to save my shekels for the QB and dominant D line!
T master Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) On 9/3/2019 at 4:26 PM, FUTURIST said: The Cowboys overpaid, Anyone who pays BIG money for a RB is insane. Expand Any one who pays that kind of money for some one to play a game is insane !! Just saying ... Or they have more money than brains Edited September 4, 2019 by T master
H2o Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 1:51 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand One of the top 3 RB's in the NFL which is why he got paid this way. Wait until McCaffrey and Barkley come up for new contracts. Can't wait to see the responses then.
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 2:00 PM, H2o said: One of the top 3 RB's in the NFL which is why he got paid this way. Wait until McCaffrey and Barkley come up for new contracts. Can't wait to see the responses then. Expand Hopefully the Panthers will be forced to trade McCaffrey to us and package in Kuechly while they are at it 1
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 1:51 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand Fans get hooked on the 300 yard passing games, 300 yard passers were only 65-65-2 last year. Teams with 100 yard rushers were 84-26-1 last year and a whopping 49-9-1 through the first 11 weeks. The narrative is it's a pass first league, but the records for teams with 300 yard passers & 100 yard rushers say otherwise. 2
DCOrange Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 1:51 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand Yeah, he can handle a lot of touches. That's cool and all, but I can get 3 RBs for far less money that can do that too. I'd take almost any other team's RB situation over the Cowboys, especially considering the OLine Dallas has. On 9/4/2019 at 2:06 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Fans get hooked on the 300 yard passing games, 300 yard passers were only 65-65-2 last year. Teams with 100 yard rushers were 84-26-1 last year and a whopping 49-9-1 through the first 11 weeks. The narrative is it's a pass first league, but the records for teams with 300 yard passers & 100 yard rushers say otherwise. Expand Correlation =/= Causation. These stats are purely correlation. Teams only get 100 yard rushers these days when they're running the clock out with a lead. On the flipside, you're more likely to accrue more passing yards when you're playing catch up.
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 1:57 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I see what you did there @YoloinOhio, well played! However, doesn’t change the fact he’s still overpaid imho. If I can still get reasonably close to his production for a fraction of the cost, then why bother? Need to save my shekels for the QB and dominant D line! Expand He is being paid his market value. I don’t think he’s overpaid. Whether or not a team believes his market value is aligned to his value to that team is a totally different story. In this case, the ‘Boys believe it is 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 2:06 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Fans get hooked on the 300 yard passing games, 300 yard passers were only 65-65-2 last year. Teams with 100 yard rushers were 84-26-1 last year and a whopping 49-9-1 through the first 11 weeks. The narrative is it's a pass first league, but the records for teams with 300 yard passers & 100 yard rushers say otherwise. Expand Oooooh interesting stuff. I wonder what the passing yards were for the 100 yard rusher games.
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 2:38 PM, YoloinOhio said: He is being paid his market value. I don’t think he’s overpaid. Whether or not a team believes his market value is aligned to his value to that team is a totally different story. In this case, the ‘Boys believe it is Expand Fair enough—but it does seem to be a step back in time nonetheless. We’ll see how the money moves play out for them going forward.
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 2:42 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Fair enough—but it does seem to be a step back in time nonetheless. We’ll see how the money moves play out for them going forward. Expand Zeke is a tremendous receiver and blocker in addition to running the ball. He’s an all around offensive weapon, a true every down back. He’s the modern, new age RB, not a step back in time.
dbfla10 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 With these contracts I feel the Cap is going to have to increase tremendously to keep up. I haven't Seen the actual real money on this contract, but at just 24yrs old this contract makes more sense than paying a 26-27 yr old Gordon.
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 2:10 PM, DCOrange said: Yeah, he can handle a lot of touches. That's cool and all, but I can get 3 RBs for far less money that can do that too. I'd take almost any other team's RB situation over the Cowboys, especially considering the OLine Dallas has. Correlation =/= Causation. These stats are purely correlation. Teams only get 100 yard rushers these days when they're running the clock out with a lead. On the flipside, you're more likely to accrue more passing yards when you're playing catch up. Expand Maybe maybe not. It seems like you're just trying to throw everything neatly in a box and wrap it up with a bow. It's odd that it's the same QBs over & over though. Mahomes -10, Goff - 8, Luck - 8, Big Ben - 8, Ryan - 8, Brady - 7, Brees - 7. On the flip side, Zeke - 8, Gurley - 7, Barkley - 7, Michel - 6, Carson - 6. To say teams only get 100 yard rushers these days when running out the clock is short sighted. The top 10 teams in rushing totals nowadays are still pretty much even to the early 2000s(That's as far back as I could go at the moment). 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 2:44 PM, YoloinOhio said: Zeke is a tremendous receiver and blocker in addition to running the ball. He’s an all around offensive weapon, a true every down back. He’s the modern, new age RB, not a step back in time. Expand Yes, but is that alone enough to justify such a large cap hit as part of the whole? Just asking. Here’s a deeper dive into the production numbers FWIW: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ezekiel-elliott-is-not-worth-the-money-he-wants/
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 3:03 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Yes, but is that alone enough to justify such a large cap hit as part of the whole? Just asking. Here’s a deeper dive into the production numbers FWIW: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ezekiel-elliott-is-not-worth-the-money-he-wants/ Expand In their case, it is. He’s the straw that stirs the drink of that offense.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 he got his money. I guess you can throw out the old cliche' that rb's are a dime a dozen...
MAJBobby Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 12:55 PM, Sunshower said: We made the playoffs with him. I’d suggest that if you have a great QB, a RB is less important. If you have no QB, a great RB is necessary. I feel those two realities are on a sliding scale that goes up and down depending on the competency of your QB. Even a game manager such as Dak or Dalton may need more oomph at RB to be successful, while Rodgers or Brady would be fine with a stable of okay RBs. Expand Thanks you Cincy for Passing the ball to gt us in the playoffs. Never pay a RB, I repeat NEVER pay a RB
Victory Formation Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 3:45 PM, MAJBobby said: Thanks you Cincy for Passing the ball to gt us in the playoffs. Never pay a RB, I repeat NEVER pay a RB Expand That’s a weak case, Bobby.
MAJBobby Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) On 9/4/2019 at 3:51 PM, Sunshower said: That’s a weak case, Bobby. Expand Is it? How Many SBs have Dallas won with this Dominate RB, and best OL in the league that ANY RB can perform behind? What about Minny in the last generational Talent RB in Peterson? Edited September 4, 2019 by MAJBobby
Victory Formation Posted September 4, 2019 Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 3:52 PM, MAJBobby said: Is it? How Many SBs have Dallas won with this Dominate RB, and best OL in the league that ANY RB can perform behind? What about Minny in the last generational Talent RB in Peterson? Expand Elite RBs have been part of a many of Super Bowl teams. Chicken or egg? I think more is more. If Singletary turns into a dominant back, sign him. The better the QB, the less dire the need of a superstar RB, but also the less dire the need of a superstar #1 WR or an all star OL or a Legion of Boom defense. You build a team with what ya got. A superstar QB mitigates just about every weak positional group on the entire team, but football is still a team sport, except each team may be structured differently depending on what resources are available in FA and how many hits ya get in the draft.
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