This is a serious question is Brandon Beane a GOD

[mjt328]

16 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He has the same record as Whaley after 2 years. 

 

That's actually a poor indictment of Doug Whaley.

 

Brandon Beane walked in the door and immediately started over.  He was GM for only a few months when he began tearing down the roster.

Doug Whaley tried to transition from his predecessor (Buddy Nix) and always believed the team was close to becoming a contender.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

10 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

His job entails having the right coach and acquiring the right talent that aligns with the coach's philosophy. He's not PLAYING so I suppose you could play the semantics game there. But his job literally depends on the team winning games. That's the one and only barometer for which to judge a GM. If you have another, I'd love to hear about it.

 

Very true wrt the bold. But funny that neither Whaley nor Beane were given the chance to hire "their coach". With Beane that seems to be ok since it was the coach that picked him, so there is at least some expectance of synergy. But Whaley was never given the chance to be a full GM. He was never given a chance to learn and grow as a 1st time GM, and get a second crack at finding a QB, like so many other GMs around the league have been given.

 

This is all part of the ongoing cycle of futility at One Bills Drive.

 

If Beane shows he can build a roster as well as Whaley did, then by all means he should be retained and given an opportunity to find another QB if Allen doesnt work out. Blowing up the whole thing based on not immediately finding the hardest position to fill in possibly all professional sports is just keeping this team bogged down.

 

 

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Obviously, if Josh Allen works out Beane will be here a long time.  The question is if he doesn't has McBeane built a good enough roster to get a 2nd crack at a QB?

 

Jury is still out, but in general I would lean towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and giving him a 2nd chance (if needed). Otherwise, we have to clean house, rebuild the ENTIRE roster as new GMs want to do AND find a new QB on top of it. It's much easier to keep your existing roster and maintain it, while taking more shots at QB.

 

3 hours ago, DefenseWins said:

 

I honestly don't hold Whaley in "high regard". I will go with McBeane any day of the week. I question what Whaley would have done if he hadn't apparently been told to trade the first rd pick to KC for what turned out to be Tre White and the extra 1st rd pick the following year. Would we still be watching Tyrod Taylor playing QB for this team? Would Whaley have drafted either Mahomes or Watson with the pick?

 

 

All reports indicated that Whaley wanted Watson. And whether we went Watson or Mahomes, it's been shown that either were a good pick.

 

Now, whether our coaching staff could develop Watson or Mahomes like Offensive gurus O'Brien and Reid is the main question. (Spoiler Alert: they cant)

 

6 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

That's actually a poor indictment of Doug Whaley.

 

Brandon Beane walked in the door and immediately started over.  He was GM for only a few months when he began tearing down the roster.

Doug Whaley tried to transition from his predecessor (Buddy Nix) and always believed the team was close to becoming a contender.

 

 

The talent was there, the team WAS close to being a contender. That 2014 team that went 9-7, beat the Packers and almost beat the Broncos in Denver was so close.

 

Lack of QB, poor Offensive coaching (Marrone destroying the OL and Hackett being horrible), and constant turnover at DC, is what sunk those teams.

 

The only part of that on Whaley is the QB, and he should have been given another chance to find one if this were a competently managed franchise.

Edited August 31, 2019 by DrDawkinstein

[Buffaloflash]

I have lost a good deal of respect for Beane as it stands now,per the cut to Shady and Duke William!

So much for the we are Family bullsh*t.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

No we don't.

 

 

LOL. Okay, mind explaining why he has already proved himself as a great GM then?

[Big Blitz]

35 minutes ago, Buffaloflash said:

I have lost a good deal of respect for Beane as it stands now,per the cut to Shady and Duke William!

So much for the we are Family bullsh*t.

 

 

Umm

..

 

Maybe with Shady.... Duke has been here 8 months and wasn't guaranteed a thing.  Neither was Shady for that matter.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

49 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

That's actually a poor indictment of Doug Whaley.

 

Brandon Beane walked in the door and immediately started over.  He was GM for only a few months when he began tearing down the roster.

Doug Whaley tried to transition from his predecessor (Buddy Nix) and always believed the team was close to becoming a contender.

 

 

Our 2015 53 man roster was probably the most talented we've had since the drought began. Or at least up there with the Drew Bledsoe lead team the one year Bledsoe was actually good. We just had a terrible coach that took a top defense and had them play a bad scheme among other things. 

 

Beane still has work to do. And ultimately it likely all falls on whether or not Allen succeeds.  That's pretty much how it goes for all GM's that hold a job without a proven franchise QB. It's all about getting that QB. Just like for Whaley it was ultimately going to come down to getting out of "QB purgatory" which ultimately we were not able to do. 

45 minutes ago, Buffaloflash said:

I have lost a good deal of respect for Beane as it stands now,per the cut to Shady and Duke William!

 

 

 

Ugh! We cut Duke Williams!? Seriously? 

 

I knew about McCoy and figured it was likely him or Gore would be cut. But this is the first time I am reading Duke has been cut.

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

57 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Now, whether our coaching staff could develop Watson or Mahomes like Offensive gurus O'Brien and Reid is the main question. (Spoiler Alert: they cant)

 

 

I totally agree with this regarding our coaching staffs ability to develop a young QB. With that said, Allen actually might be the perfect fit for a staff that is sub par in the QB developing. Allen is always going to resort to doing what he does best anyway which is play hero ball. That goes beyond anything a coach can teach or design up for a player.

[Helpmenow]

Not by cuttin mccoy

[Buffaloflash]

9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Our 2015 53 man roster was probably the most talented we've had since the drought began. Or at least up there with the Drew Bledsoe lead team the one year Bledsoe was actually good. We just had a terrible coach that took a top defense and had them play a bad scheme among other things. 

 

Beane still has work to do. And ultimately it likely all falls on whether or not Allen succeeds.  That's pretty much how it goes for all GM's that hold a job without a proven franchise QB. It's all about getting that QB. Just like for Whaley it was ultimately going to come down to getting out of "QB purgatory" which ultimately we were not able to do. 

 

 

Ugh! We cut Duke Williams!? Seriously? 

 

I knew about McCoy and figured it was likely him or Gore would be cut. But this is the first time I am reading Duke has been cut.

 

 

A friend took a picture with Shady last night at Canalside,Shady was telling him we're making the playoff for sure.So i would assume Shady didn't see trhis coming especially with Beane's comments of him being their guy in the offense! 

 

[DefenseWins]

22 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Very true wrt the bold. But funny that neither Whaley nor Beane were given the chance to hire "their coach". With Beane that seems to be ok since it was the coach that picked him, so there is at least some expectance of synergy. But Whaley was never given the chance to be a full GM. He was never given a chance to learn and grow as a 1st time GM, and get a second crack at finding a QB, like so many other GMs around the league have been given.

 

This is all part of the ongoing cycle of futility at One Bills Drive.

 

If Beane shows he can build a roster as well as Whaley did, then by all means he should be retained and given an opportunity to find another QB if Allen doesnt work out. Blowing up the whole thing based on not immediately finding the hardest position to fill in possibly all professional sports is just keeping this team bogged down.

 

 

 

Jury is still out, but in general I would lean towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and giving him a 2nd chance (if needed). Otherwise, we have to clean house, rebuild the ENTIRE roster as new GMs want to do AND find a new QB on top of it. It's much easier to keep your existing roster and maintain it, while taking more shots at QB.

 

 

All reports indicated that Whaley wanted Watson. And whether we went Watson or Mahomes, it's been shown that either were a good pick.

 

Now, whether our coaching staff could develop Watson or Mahomes like Offensive gurus O'Brien and Reid is the main question. (Spoiler Alert: they cant)

 

 

The talent was there, the team WAS close to being a contender. That 2014 team that went 9-7, beat the Packers and almost beat the Broncos in Denver was so close.

 

Lack of QB, poor Offensive coaching (Marrone destroying the OL and Hackett being horrible), and constant turnover at DC, is what sunk those teams.

 

The only part of that on Whaley is the QB, and he should have been given another chance to find one if this were a competently managed franchise.

 

Gotta Link?

 

Although I do recall some rumors at the time, I have not actually seen anything definitive confirming it. Until then we will never know for sure. Suppose he decided to draft someone else? Would we still have Tyrod Taylor playing QB? As I recall there was a lot of chatter about OJ Howard (TE) that year just to name one possible alternate Whaley pick... 

 

If Allen takes this team to the playoffs, how does that affect the Mahomes/Watson pick at #10 that year? Factoring in Tre White as well?

 

 

[dave mcbride]

22 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Yeah I was never a huge fan of Butler.  His problem was he was a great scout, loved every football player he ever say and would too easily agree to pay them whatever they wanted.   Admittedly we were in the early years of free agency and salary cap so was still a learning process, but he seemed to take much longer to figure it out.

 BUtler did a great job in SD and set that team up for a long time. He was good in Buffalo, basically rebuilding the team so that in 1999 it was a legit super bowl contender.

 

Also, anyone who criticizes him for “quitting” is playing fast and loose with the truth given Wilson’s narrow-minded pig-headedness during that whole episode. I appreciate Wilson for a lot of things, but he was a poor owner overall.

On 8/30/2019 at 1:55 PM, Ray Finkel said:

He was living off Polian’s coattails 

Just untrue. The proof in the pudding? What he built in SD from nothing.

Edited September 1, 2019 by dave mcbride

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

too funny to see those who now are not happy with beane or those who have never really supported him can mock the cut because he cut the old running back. instead of realizing it was time to move on and the young player, singletary, will fill that role and likely get through the season unscathed where old shady would be standing on the sidelines with his groin or hammy injury by week 5 collecting a check.

 

no, beane is building a team, made up of a lot of young players he acquired through the draft and there comes a time when you dump your fa and fill the spot with the young player from the draft. he made it pretty clear fa's were there to fill the void temporarily until replaced with his draft prospects.

 

 

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

 Utler did a great job in SD and set that team up for a long time. He was good in Buffalo, basically rebuilding the team so that in 1999 it was a legit super bowl contender.

 

Also, anyone who criticizes him for “quitting” is playing fast and loose with the truth given Wilson’s narrow-minded pig-headedness during that whole episode. I appreciate Wilson for a lot of things, but he was a poor owner overall.

Just untrue. The proof in the pudding? What he built in SD from nothing.

Ralph fired Butler when he found out he was negotiating to go to SD behind his back.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Ralph fired Butler when he found out he was negotiating to go to SD behind his back.

That was what Wilson said. Caveat Emptor. Wilson, who hated paying gms and coaches - he fundamentally didn’t believe in it — before Donohoe, offered him a laughably below-market salary that would have made him one of the lowest paid gms in the league. Butler got the hell out because the offer was a joke. 

 

Let’s be careful about romatincizing Wilson, a lousy owner who lucked into Polian — and then fired him for the stupidest of reasons!!

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

That was what Wilson said. Caveat Emptor. Wilson, who hated paying gms and coaches - he fundamentally didn’t believe in it — before Donohoe, offered him a laughably below-market salary that would have made him one of the lowest paid gms in the league. Butler got the hell out because the offer was a joke. 

 

Let’s be careful about romatincizing Wilson, a lousy owner who lucked into Polian — and then fired him for the stupidest of reasons!!

Let’s be careful about lying about what happened.  Butler was negotiating with another team and got caught.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Let’s be careful about lying about what happened.  Butler was negotiating with another team and got caught.

Evidence? I know that was what was said, but the story was, as we shall say, quite one-sided. Even if it is true, the reason it happened was ENTIRELY the fault of Wilson. Butler was a good gm, full stop. You pay guys like that market rate.

Edited September 1, 2019 by dave mcbride

[dollars 2 donuts]

On 8/30/2019 at 12:53 PM, oldschoolfootball1963 said:

He just traded flat out crap for picks. He’s a f-ing wizard 

 

 

It is is an interesting premises and worth further discussion.  Last year one of our better Board Members, intelligent and good looking, too, a modern day renaissance man, suggested that he might be a witch.  

 

The proof of witch (see what I did there?) has not risen to the surface, but I believe all will reveal itself sometime in the near future. If the rapture occurs and Beane is there guiding you to the light then we will know you were right.  If you are left to roam the Earth during the hell fire, or possibly led someplace else that is much worse, then I am likely right, but at least the football will be good during the suffering.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Evidence? I know that was what was said, but the story was, as we shall say, quite one-sided. Even if it is reason it happened was ENTIRELY Wilson’s fault. Butler was a good gm, full stop. You pay guys like that market rate.

He had a nose for talent but he also put us in cap hell.  The real story is that Ralph wanted to keep him and tried to get him to commit but Butler was evasive.  And he was evasive because he was negotiating with SD while under contract with Ralph.  Go back and read what happened at the time.

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

He had a nose for talent but he also put us in cap hell.  The real story is that Ralph wanted to keep him and tried to get him to commit but Butler was evasive.  And he was evasive because he was negotiating with SD while under contract with Ralph.  Go back and read what happened at the time.

I read it all, and I read it twice. Another factor that created the bitterness between the two was the command by Wilson to Phillips to start Johnson - who went on to perform terribly against TN in a game the Bills should have won going away. That, I suspect, was the straw that broke the proberbial camel’s back for both Butler AND AJ Smith. That decision was all Wilson.

Edited September 1, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Rico]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Evidence? I know that was what was said, but the story was, as we shall say, quite one-sided. Even if it is true, the reason it happened was ENTIRELY the fault of Wilson. Butler was a good gm, full stop. You pay guys like that market rate.

Absolutely correct. You have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt when a piss-poor owner like Ralph was involved. 

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I read it all, and I read it twice. Another factor that created the bitterness between the two was the command by Wilson to Phillips to start Johnson - who went on to perform terribly against TN in a game the Bills should have won going away. That, I suspect, was the straw that broke the proberbial camel’s back for both Butler AND AJ Smith. That decision was all Wilson.

Yep. I still find it funny every now and then when Wade is discussed that someone will credit him with the decision to sit Flutie. 

Edited September 1, 2019 by Rico