dollars 2 donuts Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I know but no one can pay him this year. He plays on the tag no matter where he is, and then becomes a FA. Yolo, just out of the blue to you and it is not to put you on the spot. I am just asking a direct question to someone I respect: do you really think this is 15 or so sack terror or do you think he’ll be some pressure and 10 sacks a year...for 20 plus million?
formerlyofCtown Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I know but no one can pay him this year. He plays on the tag no matter where he is, and then becomes a FA. They have no interest in paying him. Come on you're smarter than that Yolo.
Mat68 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 Seems to me this still wide open. Best offer and a team he will at least give a shot to. I think Buffalo has as good a shot as any.
LSHMEAB Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, dubs said: I also think he didn’t think the players he let go of were really that good and worth what they were being paid or wanted. He’s been pretty spot on. Dareus hasn’t don’t much at all. Sammy is on his second team since then, is oft injured, and been a pretty average receiver. Bob Woods has done well so that’s a miss. Could have used him. I mean that's exactly what I said. I would have preferred to keep Sammy, injuries and all, but it is what it is. He hasn't put up huge numbers, but he's a gamechanger and would immediately be our best receiver(by far.) Sean McVay and Andy Reid wanted him. That's pretty strong. But that decision was made prior to Beane's arrival if memory serves. As far as Woods, I think he was going to LA unless we DRASTICALLY overpaid so I'm not putting that on the Bills.
BringBackFergy Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I know but no one can pay him this year. He plays on the tag no matter where he is, and then becomes a FA. Yep. He’s basically a *****. If we sign him, he then looks elsewhere next year for big money (Philly, Seahags, Colts). Don’t feed the whores!!!
dubs Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I mean that's exactly what I said. I would have preferred to keep Sammy, injuries and all, but it is what it is. He hasn't put up huge numbers, but he's a gamechanger and would immediately be our best receiver(by far.) Sean McVay and Andy Reid wanted him. That's pretty strong. But that decision was made prior to Beane's arrival if memory serves. As far as Woods, I think he was going to LA unless we DRASTICALLY overpaid so I'm not putting that on the Bills. Oh yeah, I was agreeing with everything you said. I was just adding the points. I thought you were saying more that the players didn’t fit the “process” mentality. I must have interpreted it wrong. My bad. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) This will be interesting to follow given the following: Texans cant trade Clowney until he signs his tender. Clowney doesn't want to go to Miami. If Clowney sits out the season he loses $17M this year. The moment Clowney signs his tender, the Texans can trade him to whoever they want. If Texans trade him somewhere he doesnt want to go, he could still just sit out there and that team would have wasted whatever they traded to get him and he would still lose $17M...or he plays and then they have a Clowney issue next year still. Feels like Miami still seems unlikely if the reports of him not wanting to go there are true...but does he hate the idea enough to give up $17M this year? Thats the question in that scenario really. Seems like a game of chicken between Texans and Clowney on who will blink first...Clowney has 17 million reasons to blink first though. Edited August 28, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2019 Author Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Yolo, just out of the blue to you and it is not to put you on the spot. I am just asking a direct question to someone I respect: do you really think this is 15 or so sack terror or do you think he’ll be some pressure and 10 sacks a year...for 20 plus million? I wish i was someone who knows this stuff but I don’t. I’ve also never been into stats determining value. I think market dictates price, and his market is huge. It’s part positional value, part his age, part his production and part his potential. As a fan, I put that on the team’s pro scouting staff and if they determine he’s worth it, I trust their evaluation until I see the product on the field. Edited August 28, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1
LSHMEAB Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: No. Beane made the trade. McDermott decided not to pick up his 5th year team option I believe. Jeez. I'm over here trying to give the man the benefit of the doubt Scott. You're killing me.
Warcodered Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: This will be interesting to follow given the following: Texans cant trade Clowney until he signs his tender. Clowney doesn't want to go to Miami. If Clowney sits out the season he loses $17M this year. The moment Clowney signs his tender, the Texans can trade him to whoever they want. If Texans trade him somewhere he doesnt want to go, he could still just sit out there and that team would have wasted whatever they traded to get him and he would still lose $17M...or he plays and then they have a Clowney issue next year still. Feels like Miami still seems unlikely if the reports of him not wanting to go there are true...but does he hate the idea enough to give up $17M this year? Thats the question in that scenario really. Seems like a game of chicken between Texans and Clowney on who will blink first...Clowney has 17 million reasons to blink first though. If the Texans trade him to a team he doesn't want and he sits out, I have to think that would burn a lot of bridges for them, both with players and teams. Edited August 28, 2019 by Warcodered 2
Saxum Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: They wont pay him. You mean they will not pay him the long term contract as DE he wants. Then best thing for him to do is not sign, wait until week 10 making sure he is in shape and then sign tender then. Team will not have money for him and will cut him. Then he can go to another team in playoff hunt who has money and probably injuries signing a "no tag" clause contract resulting in him being a free agent next year. But this depends on him betting on himself rather than just complain to media. 1
BarleyNY Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, njbuff said: I grant you this, but my rebuttal is........... What has Houston done with Clowney and what makes you think he can take the Bills to the next level when Clowney hasn’t done it on the same team with Hopkins and Watt on it? If that’s your litmus test for a player, then there’s almost no one that you could ever justify acquiring.
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2019 Author Posted August 28, 2019 I found the Texans a LT, and they wouldn’t need to give up any assets 2 1
Happy Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 I wish Clowney would just go somewhere and get on to under performing his contract so all this will go away. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I wish i was someone who knows this stuff but I don’t. I’ve also never been into stats determining value. I think market dictates price, and his market is huge. It’s part positional value, part his age, part his production and part his potential. As a fan, I put that on the team’s pro scouting staff and if they determine he’s worth it, I trust their evaluation until I see the product on the field. I’m sorry, I thought you were someone else. My bad. ?? jk, brother. Good points. I disagree with the market, but good points.
Rochesterfan Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This will be interesting to follow given the following: Texans cant trade Clowney until he signs his tender. Clowney doesn't want to go to Miami. If Clowney sits out the season he loses $17M this year. The moment Clowney signs his tender, the Texans can trade him to whoever they want. If Texans trade him somewhere he doesnt want to go, he could still just sit out there and that team would have wasted whatever they traded to get him and he would still lose $17M...or he plays and then they have a Clowney issue next year still. Feels like Miami still seems unlikely if the reports of him not wanting to go there are true...but does he hate the idea enough to give up $17M this year? Thats the question in that scenario really. Seems like a game of chicken between Texans and Clowney on who will blink first...Clowney has 17 million reasons to blink first though. You missed one important option - he can wait to sign the tag after the trade deadline passes - getting paid for 10 weeks (10 million dollars) and accruing his season and effectively blocking any trade he does not want to be a part of. He can also make signing the tender contingent on being traded to a team he wants because there is nothing the Texans can do until he signs. I also believe the Texans could rescind the tag and effectively make him a FA right now and lose and compensation, but that would just be dumb. Basically he has already blocked a trade to Miami once. They then got a meeting and it does not seem Clowney is still real interested and he still holds the cards. I got think Miami is just stupid if they meet a deal for a guy that has made it clear a couple of times he is not happy going there. You get a dejected player that is not happy - seems like a recipe for disaster. 5
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2019 Author Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: You missed one important option - he can wait to sign the tag after the trade deadline passes - getting paid for 10 weeks (10 million dollars) and accruing his season and effectively blocking any trade he does not want to be a part of. He can also make signing the tender contingent on being traded to a team he wants because there is nothing the Texans can do until he signs. I also believe the Texans could rescind the tag and effectively make him a FA right now and lose and compensation, but that would just be dumb. Basically he has already blocked a trade to Miami once. They then got a meeting and it does not seem Clowney is still real interested and he still holds the cards. I got think Miami is just stupid if they meet a deal for a guy that has made it clear a couple of times he is not happy going there. You get a dejected player that is not happy - seems like a recipe for disaster. Totally agree. I think the BOB-Flores thing is trying to push this arranged marriage. Miami also has a player that Houston really wants Edited August 28, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1
The Wiz Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Just like my willingness to sleep with a pornstar. Nothing in place but feelings very real. 4
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