Ed Oliver doesn't look very good

[teef]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

If I said he looked good would it be interesting even though i'de be lying?

this is slightly more interesting.  

[Putin]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Thinking a 7. Every draft pick gets a 5 on the nervous scale for me so a 7 means I'm really nervous. 

Oliver is still young as he grows he will get even stronger , and with some good coaching once he learns all the techniques how NOT to let the OL put their hands on him , and how to get off blocks I think he will be a BEAST !!! 

I wouldn’t expect much from him in a first half of season but I’m SURE towards the end of the season and ESPECIALLY  in the playoffs  will be thrilled that he’s a Buffalo Bill !!!

Gooo Bills !!!

Edited August 26, 2019 by Putin

[timekills17]

18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don't know what his responsibilities are each play, but what I see is a player that is tough to move but lacks the hands to disengage from blocks. 

 

 

Honestly to me Oliver may be best suited as a NT, which is what Houston ultimately had him doing and was criticized for it. McDermott may use Oliver the same way. He's very difficult to move even at his size. 

 

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https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/ed-oliver

Hand Usage - Needs considerably work in this area in the run game. Does not create a lot of torque to displace blockers, instead simply bull drives them down the middle. Needs to utilize much better arm extension off the snap to keep blockers off his frame. Fires into his opponent's chest with good hand placement and the power to displace blockers, but can struggle to create space, gets body-to-body and fails to disengage. Does not stack-and-shed easily enough, allowing runners to slip by him. Too often gets caught up in grappling matches at the line of scrimmage and is knocked off balance as a result. On the ground too much, especially considering the lack of quality competition.

 

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 https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/2/21/18232987/nfl-draft-2019-ed-oliver-buffalo-bills-scouting-report-breakdown-pass-rusher

When teams made the mistake of trying to block Oliver one-on-one, he was routinely able to rock that blocker back by getting good hand placement inside on their breast plates, getting full extension with his arms, and exploding out of his hips

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In addition to his power and quickness, another thing I was impressed with was how active and effective Oliver was with his hands. A lot of guys with his physical tools are good college players, but end up failing on the next level because they never work on escaping off blocks. It’s simply too easy for them to make plays in college most weeks, so they never really hone their technique. I see it every year from a prospect or two that I do a breakdown on, and it is never not infuriating to watch.

In Oliver’s case, however, he generally did a really good job of using his hands to keep blockers off of him. He was also really good at using escape moves like rips and arm-overs to get off of the blockers once it was time for him to try to make a tackle.

 

 

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https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ed-oliver?id=32194f4c-4929-0385-df1c-0f8e40559b5a

• Forced to work excessively at disengaging from blocks
• Failed to convert explosiveness into impressive sack totals
• Rush attack is more predictable than diverse

 

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https://nfldraft.theringer.com/

On inside runs, Oliver uses his hands to discard blocks and grows roots at the point of attack; he’s rarely pushed back at the snap, even when double-teamed. 

 

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 https://www.cbssports.com/g00/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-an-early-introduction-to-nine-of-the-potential-top-defensive-linemen/?i10c.ua=1&i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3d&i10c.dv=20

• Good, not overwhelming power and decently active hands
• At this point, he's better getting into the pads of an offensive linemen then springing off him to make an impact play against the run than he is deploying an intricate pass-rushing move to get to the quarterback. Sometimes, his lack of weight leads to him not playing with tons of power.

 

 

So...he's great with his hands. He's not very good with his hands. He's impossible to block. He get's caught up in blocks.

Gee. It's almost like it depends on what game they watched, the day, the blocker, the play, and the scheme made a difference in how he was assessed.

[Elite Poster]

19 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick.

 

Excuse me

[BillsfanAZ]

Why do fans think first round picks have to come in and make a big impact right away? The toughest competition he faced last year was South Florida. It will take him a while to learn the NFL

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, Margarita said:

One rookie who has stormed the gates in preseason from what Ive seen is the LB Josh Allen...has Ed Oliver made as immediate a visual impact? No. Does this mean much in the grand scheme of things? No. I say hold your water on making such a dire prognosis on the young man it's a snap judgment at best

Josh Allen was my number 1 player in the entire draft, so I'm not surprised by his performance.

 

I would say it's a bit easier to fly off the edge than to learn the in's and out's of battling/disengaging from interior NFL offensive lineman.

[Kelly the Dog]

Lee Smith today said that Oliver has constantly been giving Bills offensive players fits all through training camp.

[Lurker]

13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Lee Smith today said that Oliver has constantly been giving Bills offensive players fits all through training camp.

 

Yeah, but our OL sucks so NBD...

[Malazan]

I think the OP is in the concussion protocol

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

21 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick.

 

[PlayoffsPlease]

44 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Lee Smith today said that Oliver has constantly been giving Bills offensive players fits all through training camp.

OP never expected anyone to play the Lee Smith card. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

29 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

Lol. I guess I should watch my back.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I wonder if he’s going to make the team? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

34 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

I think the OP is in the concussion protocol

One thing I should've known is to never criticize a Bills 1st round pick during preseason. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

One thing I should've known is to never criticize a Bills 1st round pick during preseason. 

 

Knee jerk reactions typically get a lot of replies....

[teef]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

One thing I should've known is to never criticize a Bills 1st round pick during preseason. 

i don't think anyone cares about the criticism.  it's just strange that on a scale of 1-10, you're nervous over a player who has never taken a regular season snap is at a, "7".  

[njbuff]

This thread still going too?

 

Jeez Louise. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, teef said:

i don't think anyone cares about the criticism.  it's just strange that on a scale of 1-10, you're nervous over a player who has never taken a regular season snap is at a, "7".  

 

It honestly sounds like my mom.  The first time she ever saw Wade Boggs....he struck out.  So she feels he was a below average player the rest of his career after that one at bat.  

She can't figure out why he's in the HOF.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It honestly sounds like my mom.  The first time she ever saw Wade Boggs....he struck out.  So she feels he was a below average player the rest of his career after that one at bat.  

She can't figure out why he's in the HOF.

I've been pounding the table about this phenomenon for days now. It is wild. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..so Ed has an outside shot at the PS then, right?......thinkin'" too short and not so good" means he clears waivers with NO problem.....