benderbender Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: The only trolls are people that think they can take ANYTHING away from preseason. McD is not a troll. He claps too much. It would give him away when he hides under bridges or caves. If he was a mythical creature, I’d go with centaur. He could clap and run simultaneously.
Alphadawg7 Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) This was interesting to read today. Some or my thoughts and opinions after seeing this: Duke - Clearly they felt he deserved more time on the field and even got in with the ones and obviously with the twos. This is quite the climb in what was supposed to be a dress rehearsal, and he didnt disappoint. My Opinion: They liked what they saw of Duke and are seriously considering keeping him and Duke only helped those chances. I think he is going to make this team, and wouldn't surprise if he was in the conversation to start opposite John Brown which make the WRs difficult to cover...Cole slashing the short and middle, Brown taking the top off, Duke as the sure handed possession guy and our TE's pressing the seams. Zay - While Zay started with the ones, it seems like they aren't clear on what to do with him and I think they are really pondering both his role, and maybe place on this team. You don't risk a sure "starter" on the field in the 2nd half of a preseason game, especially when you have other guys to evaluate for the roster. My Opinion: Zay's "presumed" starter role is in serious jeopardy and may have already slipped out of his hands like a Josh Allen TD strike. And if he does officially fall out of the starter conversation, then his role and place on the team gets more shaky. And its possible they ran him in the 2nd half to try and get him involved to maybe try and boost some potential trade value too considering he had done mostly nothing in the first 2 games other than dropping a TD strike from Josh. McKenzie vs Ray Ray - I think this is a CLEAR indication that McKenzie has stepped out in front of Ray Ray with a nice lead. If they were still wavering on him, they would have given him more snaps in this battle. I don't see Ray Ray making this team right now as McKenzie has outplayed him in the games after Ray Ray had the more impressive camp. My Opinion: McKenzie makes the 53 over Ray Ray, assuming they keep enough WR's to merit keeping either. Robert Foster - For all the bubble talk for him, I think the snap count actually lends itself to possibly suggesting he's safer than some think. If he was fighting for a roster spot I just don't see them only giving him 2 snaps in the 3rd preseason game. For a guy that was a gamer last year, if they were starting to waver on him, I would think they would give him a lot of snaps for 2 reasons: To better evaluate him and also potentially showcase him for a trade as he would have trade value (rather than just cut him). My Opinion: Foster isn't in as much jeopardy as Zay, but his role is still up in the air for sure. Everyone else: None of the other guys will be on this roster week 1. Cam Phillips had a strong camp, but Duke was the one moving up the depth charts the last 2 weeks and getting runs in with the 1's and 2's. Several of the WR's will be legit PS candidates though and I expect at least 2 make it there, maybe more. My Opinion: Cam, Sills and Easley would be guys I would keep an eye out for the PS. Edited August 24, 2019 by Alphadawg7 3 2 2
Mister Defense Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 44 minutes ago, Bills Oil Company said: 7 receivers make the team. Williams will make the roster, but another receiver will not be sacrificed to do so (Foster and McKenzie make it too). It will come from another position. Example: I see them only keeping 3 running backs. McCoy, Gore, & Singletary. Wade to PS. All others will be cut. Dimarco is a wild card too and i didn't count him in the RB category. I agree, with both Williams and McKenzie making the team. Look at the off season focus on offense. Hard to imagine the Bills risk losing 1-2 receivers who could make a difference this year as these two might. Nice to see the Bills this year having to make so many of these tough decisions on their final roster, a good sign of a much improved front office and organization. 1
Logic Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 Brian Daboll recently said that the first ingredient to being a good receiver is getting separation. It's the one thing that Williams struggles with. He blocks well, he catches well, but he doesn't get much separation. Josh Allen has showed thus far in his career that he's more likely/willing to throw to a receiver who has separated from his defender. If you notice, all of Williams' success so far has come with Barkley at QB. If Williams makes the team, it will because he is a great blocker and because they know they need at least ONE big target in the passing game. He could be a red zone specialist, that sort of thing. On the other hand, if he DOESN'T make the team, it will be because he can't separate from starting level cornerbacks worth a darn. I can't help but wonder if he'd be better off at tight end, though it's obviously too late in the offseason to start THAT conversion, and we wouldn't have room on our TE depth chart any way.
transplantbillsfan Posted August 24, 2019 Author Posted August 24, 2019 9 hours ago, ganesh said: It will now come to between McKenzie and Foster. Williams has earned a roster spot. I believe Foster is on the team. Roberts and McKenzie are interchangeable to me. Keep one.
dubs Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) In my humble opinion, I’d keep The Duke. Rationale: he definitely brings a skill set this team doesn’t have. I could seen him having a couple key plays throughout the season. In the red zone, you’ll have to account for him on fades and back shoulder passes, which could also open up the middle a little more. Conclusion: The Abolitionist The shifty, sure handed, white slot guy Reuben Foster Andre the not so Giant Mckittrick The black Duke Thanks, I’ll be here all week, please make sure to tip your waitress! Edited August 24, 2019 by dubs
HappyDays Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 It's pretty weird that Zay was playing special teams yesterday. That's not what a "roster lock" would be stuck doing. It really did feel like Zay and Duke were competing last night. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted August 24, 2019 Author Posted August 24, 2019 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I honestly think Foster is in trouble. He has hardly played on offense through three games and yet was out there on Special Teams. Still really think they're playing the long game with Foster. He clearly has some maturity issues and it looks like OBD is in "shape up or ship out" mode but I really don't think they want to cut him. We find out a week from today. If they cut him I probably won't be shocked, but It'll be surprised. 6 hours ago, KRT88 said: Will Duke Williams ever be on the game day roster? who is he high pointing these TD catches against? Are these guys NFL roster players? Evety ty year I hear about this guy and that guy has to make the roster. Simply put, when can he make an impact on a real game? Does the teams 6th WR really matter? Robert Foster did last year.
Buffalo716 Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 3 hours ago, VW82 said: I started to come around to the idea we might cut Zay after that first play to start the game but there are too many iffy guys on the bubble. Foster has four total targets in three games (all came in the same game, one catch). Duke over Foster seems reasonable to me. Do we like him over someone like Wade? I also think we have to consider Dawson Knox when debating how many receivers we'll keep. Surely McD/Dabol has plans to eventually split that kid out wide. There is 0% chance that Wade makes the active roster this season He is too green despite the physical gifts 1
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 There’s only 1 receiver of the final group where I wouldn’t miss anything about him—- that’s Zay Jones. Every other receiver offers something special. Zay seems like he has a low ceiling.
transplantbillsfan Posted August 24, 2019 Author Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: I'd cut Zay before I'd cut Foster. Me too. But Beane loves him for some weird reason, so he stays.
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Hahahahaha What an insult to Alshon... both are 6'3" 220... both can out jump/high point the football. Both can block. Both have a very difficult time creating space when they run routes. I would say the comparison is decent
Don Otreply Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: The only trolls are people that think they can take ANYTHING away from preseason. That’s right, I forgot, the entire league goes through preseason for no reason whatsoever, thanks for clearing that up for all of us. Your a bloody genius. ? Go Bills!!! 1
Gray Beard Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 Reminds me of the Kamar Aiken situation. Good in pre season, the consensus was that he would make the roster, got cut, ended up having a respectable tenure with another team (the Ravens). Time will tell.
transplantbillsfan Posted August 24, 2019 Author Posted August 24, 2019 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: Every time McKenzie is back there for a return I'm worried he'll fumble it. Roberts is way more reliable. He's a lock to make the team. Was it McKenzie with the fumble problems last year or Ray Ray? I think I permanently blocked out the game one of them basically lost us on that fumbled punt. 3 hours ago, GG said: Bills have 3 WRs that can do exactly the same thing - Roberts, McKittrick and Ray Ray. They only have one who does what Duke does. Do the math. Completely agree. I prefer keeping either Roberts or McKenzie, not both. 1
GreggTX Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 Foster is gone, I'd guess. McCloud is probably gone too. As far as Williams goes, he's had a decent preseason, but he's had several shots at the NFL and did not impress. I don't expect anything from him this year, but I'll hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Putin Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 7 hours ago, KRT88 said: Will Duke Williams ever be on the game day roster? who is he high pointing these TD catches against? Are these guys NFL roster players? Evety ty year I hear about this guy and that guy has to make the roster. Simply put, when can he make an impact on a real game? Does the teams 6th WR really matter? You know drugs are bad right ?? 1
transplantbillsfan Posted August 24, 2019 Author Posted August 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: This was interesting to read today. Some or my thoughts and opinions after seeing this: Duke - Clearly they felt he deserved more time on the field and even got in with the ones and obviously with the twos. This is quite the climb in what was supposed to be a dress rehearsal, and he didnt disappoint. My Opinion: They liked what they saw of Duke and are seriously considering keeping him and Duke only helped those chances. I think he is going to make this team, and wouldn't surprise if he was in the conversation to start opposite John Brown which make the WRs difficult to cover...Cole slashing the short and middle, Brown taking the top off, Duke as the sure handed possession guy and our TE's pressing the seams. Zay - While Zay started with the ones, it seems like they aren't clear on what to do with him and I think they are really pondering both his role, and maybe place on this team. You don't risk a sure "starter" on the field in the 2nd half of a preseason game, especially when you have other guys to evaluate for the roster. My Opinion: Zay's "presumed" starter role is in serious jeopardy and may have already slipped out of his hands like a Josh Allen TD strike. And if he does officially fall out of the starter conversation, then his role and place on the team gets more shaky. And its possible they ran him in the 2nd half to try and get him involved to maybe try and boost some potential trade value too considering he had done mostly nothing in the first 2 games other than dropping a TD strike from Josh. McKenzie vs Ray Ray - I think this is a CLEAR indication that McKenzie has stepped out in front of Ray Ray with a nice lead. If they were still wavering on him, they would have given him more snaps in this battle. I don't see Ray Ray making this team right now as McKenzie has outplayed him in the games after Ray Ray had the more impressive camp. My Opinion: McKenzie makes the 53 over Ray Ray, assuming they keep enough WR's to merit keeping either. Robert Foster - For all the bubble talk for him, I think the snap count actually lends itself to possibly suggesting he's safer than some think. If he was fighting for a roster spot I just don't see them only giving him 2 snaps in the 3rd preseason game. For a guy that was a gamer last year, if they were starting to waver on him, I would think they would give him a lot of snaps for 2 reasons: To better evaluate him and also potentially showcase him for a trade as he would have trade value (rather than just cut him). My Opinion: Foster isn't in as much jeopardy as Zay, but his role is still up in the air for sure. Everyone else: None of the other guys will be on this roster week 1. Cam Phillips had a strong camp, but Duke was the one moving up the depth charts the last 2 weeks and getting runs in with the 1's and 2's. Several of the WR's will be legit PS candidates though and I expect at least 2 make it there, maybe more. My Opinion: Cam, Sills and Easley would be guys I would keep an eye out for the PS. Gotta bump this. Interesting take on Foster. I think it's the correct one. 1 1
Alphadawg7 Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Gotta bump this. Interesting take on Foster. I think it's the correct one. I also created that post into its own thread too
Patrick Duffy Posted August 24, 2019 Posted August 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Logic said: Brian Daboll recently said that the first ingredient to being a good receiver is getting separation. It's the one thing that Williams struggles with. He blocks well, he catches well, but he doesn't get much separation. Josh Allen has showed thus far in his career that he's more likely/willing to throw to a receiver who has separated from his defender. If you notice, all of Williams' success so far has come with Barkley at QB. If Williams makes the team, it will because he is a great blocker and because they know they need at least ONE big target in the passing game. He could be a red zone specialist, that sort of thing. On the other hand, if he DOESN'T make the team, it will be because he can't separate from starting level cornerbacks worth a darn. I can't help but wonder if he'd be better off at tight end, though it's obviously too late in the offseason to start THAT conversion, and we wouldn't have room on our TE depth chart any way. I would say Zay also doesn't get separation very well either though, anyway I'd still keep Duke over Zay.
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