whatdrought Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) Holy Crap. People still think Blasey-Ford was telling the truth? The idiocy runs deep I see. Edited September 19, 2020 by whatdrought 3 1 4
whatdrought Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 Quote Isn’t there some kind of legislative gimmick they can use to delay or stop a confirmation vote from happening? Your always hearing about one party or the other doing something to stall, derail, etc.. Normally I wouldn’t be a fan of those kind of tactics but in this case.. Comment from a liberal on a friends (another liberal) FB post wondering if the GOP has the votes to do it... Yep sweetie, it's called the Filibuster... Oh wait. 2 3
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Capco said: So the people don't count but the political class does? Isn't that the opposite of your own stance? The People don't make the calls with the establishment class. They've made that quite clear. They defer to authority, and that authority at present, those in charge of the DNC, are only about retaining power for themselves, not the people they represent. They've proven this over and over and over again. The GOP has as well for their own constituents. The establishment rot is bi-partisan in nature and its corruption. 3 hours ago, Capco said: That guy thinks that Democrats think "evil is okay if it results in liberal power." There's something seriously wrong with assuming roughly half the civil servants in this country believe those words. It's indicative of how sick and ill our country is, if anything. Yet, if you go by actions, not words, it makes his case much stronger than yours. "Evil" is a loaded word, I wouldn't choose to use it for 50% of our establishment ruling class. But it's not an unfair description either when you consider the long list of crimes against humanity committed by the few for the purposes of either retaining their own power or lining their pockets -- and that isn't solely on the left or right, it crosses the political spectrum within that class. 3 hours ago, Capco said: Brett Kavanaugh, just like Clarence Thomas, has no place on the Court. And for the same reasons. Those reasons being the liberal media establishment says they're rapists without evidence to support it? Come on, now, Cap. You're better than that. 3 hours ago, Capco said: If he was so squeaky clean, he would have gotten more than 1 Democratic vote. This was literally the narrowest appointment in the history of the Court. This ignores the context of the day, namely that there was an ongoing coup attempt anchored in part by the democratic party (especially the judiciary committee) all because they refused to peaceful transition of power. It's war, Cap. Pretending that it's not is a sure way to get your analysis wrong as you're doing here. 2 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 2 hours ago, snafu said: I disagree. If I were a liberal-leaning independent who was maybe not going to vote, now I’m definitely going to vote. Voters like these will not be canceled out by conservatives who will vote in any circumstance. There's no question turnout is increased for all sides due to this news, we're in total agreement there. But the issue is that (for the Senate) that's killer for the DNC's game plan. They were counting on many republicans in traditionally red-ish states staying home in protest of Trump (think Mitch's race, think McSally in AZ, think Tillis in NC, think Loeffler in GA). That won't happen now as those red state voters care more about SCOTUS than POTUS. Not only that, this news risks causing a fracture between the Bernie Bro Progressive wing of Joe's base and the Clinton/moderate wing of his base. 4
Taro T Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Capco said: No, I think it's credible because experts in the relevant field believe it's credible: Did you find her account believable? She gave one of the most credible accounts I have ever heard from a victim. The “victim” label is very stigmatizing and associated with stereotypes of passivity and weakness. Ford departed from those stereotypes in important ways. She is an accomplished psychologist, professor and researcher, and I was glad to see those accomplishments presented at the beginning of the hearing. Not only that, but you could also see her expertise throughout her comments. She was very brave and a role model for all survivors. Despite her strength, you can see the lingering effects of her victimization — how it has affected her for years, and how, even more than 30 years later, it is difficult to talk about. https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ford-testimony-credibility-memory-20180928-story.html If anything, the only reason you think she's not credible is because you don't want her to be. Not trying to pile on here, really do appreciate having another rational liberal poster on this board that an & will carry on a cogent discussion, but did not find her allegations against Justice Kavanaugh remotely credible. Though agreed that they were worthy of additional investigation when 1st alleged, and they were investigated. There was no corroboration at all of her story, not even from people that were her friends & family. Details changed. He had several people corroborate his version of the party. She never brought these claims forward earlier, she attempted to bring the charges anonymously. She lied about her fear of flying. That's just for starters. You give her being a trained psychologist as a reason to give additional credibility to her story. IMHO, her having been trained in that subject lowers her credibility if it moves the needle either way as she'd almost definitely been trained in how to act & speak to appear credible. She may very well have been assaulted at some point in her life, but nothing she said credibly identified Justice Kavanaugh as having attacked her. That additional "victims" came forward with even more ridiculous & debunked claims is circumstantial but also lowers the believability of her allegations. Ymmv on that one. 4 2
AirAllenPower Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 If dems try to pack the court, it will make the judicial branch illegitimate and pretty much the end of federalism 3
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, AirAllenPower said: If dems try to pack the court, it will make the judicial branch illegitimate and pretty much the end of federalism They already made that a part of their platform before RBG passed. One of many reasons why they must be defeated at the ballot box. 1
AirAllenPower Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 I would call that bluff. No way dems commit political suicide Just now, Deranged Rhino said: They already made that a part of their platform before RBG passed. One of many reasons why they must be defeated at the ballot box. They are bluffing
Deranged Rhino Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 Just now, AirAllenPower said: I would call that bluff. No way dems commit political suicide They are bluffing Why would you assume they're bluffing? I certainly don't. They want to end Federalism. 1 1
AirAllenPower Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Why would you assume they're bluffing? I certainly don't. They want to end Federalism. Because states will secede, the courts will be illegitimate and it will end the country. I refuse to believe the dems are that insane... Edited September 19, 2020 by AirAllenPower
Golden Goat Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, AirAllenPower said: Because states will secede, the courts will be illegitimate and it will end the country. I refuse to believe the dems are that insane... Dems? No. Libs? Yup.
AirAllenPower Posted September 19, 2020 Posted September 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Dems? No. Libs? Yup. The Democrat establishment will be all bark but will talk with McConnell behind the scenes on a handshake agreement... Republicans wont touch x,y,z and in return the right gets another SCOTUS. I'd imagine Republicans would leave abortion alone...
Capco Posted September 20, 2020 Posted September 20, 2020 Always nice to chat folks but I have homework to do. Just a few last words... @Deranged Rhino You still articulate your debates with me on premises I don't buy. There is a conservative media with a conservative spin. There was no coup (and if there was all of the people involved would have been in jail by now...). I saw enough from the hearings to make me raise an eyebrow when it comes to the SCOTUS. But admittedly when you speak in bipartisan terms your arguments resonate a lot more with me. I think we both despise corruption and love this country, at the very least. @Taro T I would respond that there are varying degrees of credibility. Ford does not meet Anita Hill's level of credibility as Darin astutely pointed out, but imho her credibility is nonzero; there is at least some level of credibility there, enough to make me question the appointment (and the level of credibility difference is irrelevant because Thomas got in when he shouldn't have). At the end of the day, what's the difference between Kavanaugh and another conservative without a potentially questionable past if they're going to mostly vote the same way anyway? The difference is in the lack of these kinds of concerns. Again referencing Darin, the widespread issues with sexual assault and harassment are disgusting, revolting, and repugnant. It strikes a chord with me. It's one of the things that is highly indicative of the moral character of the perpetrators. They do not have my sympathy. Ever. Kavanaugh is here to stay. We ultimately agree to disagree about whether or not he should be on the court. I have nothing left to say. See you all tomorrow in the game-day thread. Go Bills! We can always agree on that 1 3
BillsFanNC Posted September 20, 2020 Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) Also...they never thought that she'd lose. Edited September 20, 2020 by BillsFanNC 3 3
Niagara Bill Posted September 20, 2020 Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Why would you assume they're bluffing? I certainly don't. They want to end Federalism. And you want to take the country back to 1950s, where the preacher's fire and brimstone ran the town, with a commie on every corner, when McCarthy was boss, where black lives and women's rights didn't matter, long before Roe v Wade and before your mom's Mac and cheese was invented.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 20, 2020 Posted September 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: And you want to take the country back to 1950s, where the preacher's fire and brimstone ran the town, with a commie on every corner, when McCarthy was boss, where black lives and women's rights didn't matter, long before Roe v Wade and before your mom's Mac and cheese was invented. I remember when I had my first beer. 4
Cinga Posted September 20, 2020 Posted September 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: And you want to take the country back to 1950s, where the preacher's fire and brimstone ran the town, with a commie on every corner, when McCarthy was boss, where black lives and women's rights didn't matter, long before Roe v Wade and before your mom's Mac and cheese was invented. 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I remember when I had my first beer. No Schiff!!! WTF is this crap?
keepthefaith Posted September 20, 2020 Posted September 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Also...they never thought that she'd lose. And I'd add that RBG for all her great accomplishments was mighty selfish in dying in office. 3
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