Josh Allen starting to prove doubters and haters wrong (BR article)

[Midwest1981]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

For all those saying "it's only preseason" or "he hasn't done anything yet", well...you're both right and wrong.

On the one hand, you're right, preseason doesn't mean anything.

On the other hand, he already HAS started to prove the doubters wrong. The book on Allen was that yes, he could hit the amazing, improvisatory play or the long bomb, but he couldn't consistently read defenses, adjust his protections, find the open man, and deliver the ball accurately in the short passing game. As the second half of last year wore on and then the preseason games started being played, we began to see that yes, Allen IS learning how to read defenses, set his protections, and find the open man in the short passing game. He's learning to take what the defense gives him. He's showing that it's not "long bomb or bust". That he perhaps CAN operate a standard, modern NFL offense. That's the whole thing with Allen. We already KNEW he could make the extraordinary plays. But could he make the ordinary plays? It's starting to look like the answer may be "yes", and that alone is indeed proving many doubters wrong.

Already, it seems quite obvious that Allen's FLOOR as an NFL QB is much higher than the analysts stated. Already, he is doing things they said he wouldn't be able to do. Yes, it's only preseason, but there's no law against being encouraged by a young QB's progress. There's no rule against cautious optimism.

That's a very critical point to make.  Those that insisted Allen would bust didn't expect him to be disappointing; they expecting him to be catastrophically awful.  There are varying degrees of busts; Blake Bortles elicits laughter but his NFL profile & career stats suggest he's at least a solid backup and infinitely better than his predecessor, Blaine Gabbert.  And virulent anti-Allen individuals thought Allen would be as bad as Gabbert.

 

Maybe it's the soft bigotry of low expectations but it's pretty clear that even if Allen doesn't pan out he isn't on the level of a Gabbert or JaMarcus Russell.  We're not hoping he's Jake Locker or Bortles- but he's at least pushed past those worst expectations.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Midwest1981

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We would have fired all our coaches though

 

What does that have to do with Allen?

[billsbackto81]

Even Bucky Brooks is softening his previously negative opinion on Allen. Feels he may prove the doubters wrong. 

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Published: Aug. 23, 2019 at 01:47 p.m.

Updated: Aug. 23, 2019 at 02:30 p.

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Josh Allen, quarterback, Buffalo Bills: I'll admit to questioning the long-term potential of Allen when he was selected seventh overall despite being a sub-60 percent passer in college. However, the Bills' QB1 acquitted himself quite well in Year 1 as a dual-threat weapon with spectacular running skills and impromptu playmaking ability. Allen became the only QB in NFL history to pass for 200-plus yards and rush for at least 100 yards in back-to-back games. No. 17 led all quarterbacks with eight rushing touchdowns and finished second among signal-callers in rushing yards (631, trailing only Lamar Jackson's 695). Although the Bills would prefer for Allen to do his damage with his cannon arm, the running skills certainly add an element to his game that makes defensive coordinators stay up at night. With the Bills surrounding their young QB1 with a stable of catch-and-run specialists on the perimeter (see: Cole Beasley, John Brown and Zay Jones), the second-year pro could really break out in 2019.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by billsbackto81

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

What does that have to do with Allen?

The Fins had an awful defense and fired everyone after the game. 

 

But yes, at this point, Allen owned Matt Burke and the Fins defense last year. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Imo, much like when we hired Dennison, I worry about forcing a qb into an offense that doesn’t fit him.  I feel like we are making Allen be like Brady when he should be playing more like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson.  

 

You're only saying that because he's black.

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The Fins had an awful defense and fired everyone after the game. 

 

But yes, at this point, Allen owned Matt Burke and the Fins defense last year. 

 

Well that has exactly nothing to do with the thread topic or my point, but sure. How many rookie QBs have ever scored 5 TDs in a single game? Do you think Allen is the only rookie to face a bad defense? Does the awful supporting cast around him offset that at all or can we only use that line of logic to downplay his performance?

 

I'll tell you what, I didn't want Allen pre-draft and if the Jets had taken him at #3 overall I would have laughed at them. But if he scored 5 TDs the last game of the year that would open my eyes quite a bit. Similarly I thought Daniel Jones was a horrible pick but right now I'm not laughing at the Giants. I think Allen is in the same position as most QBs coming out of their rookie season, it's wait and see at this point. The only people still laughing are the ones that have to be right because their reputation as an analyst depends on it.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

35 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We would have fired all our coaches though. 

Sure dude.  Sorry, I’m not a fake person.  Wasn’t an Allen fan before the draft.  Love his attitude now but he still terrifies me.  

so basically, you're not a fan of him now either. at least that's how I read it.

 

former homer crashing yet another allen thread.  

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Mat68 said:

If he can hit the short to intermediate passes.  If his Wrs occassionally bail him out by catching footballs outside their frames he can be a 60% passer.

And everyone needs to understand that 60% is not the end all be all stat. Jim never got above 58% his first 5 years in the league. Many including Mayock said Allen had the highest ceiling yet would require time. I'm excited about Josh's future with the Bills.  Expect a run on crow in the near future.

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well that has exactly nothing to do with the thread topic or my point, but sure. How many rookie QBs have ever scored 5 TDs in a single game? Do you think Allen is the only rookie to face a bad defense? Does the awful supporting cast around him offset that at all or can we only use that line of logic to downplay his performance?

 

I'll tell you what, I didn't want Allen pre-draft and if the Jets had taken him at #3 overall I would have laughed at them. But if he scored 5 TDs the last game of the year that would open my eyes quite a bit. Similarly I thought Daniel Jones was a horrible pick but right now I'm not laughing at the Giants. I think Allen is in the same position as most QBs coming out of their rookie season, it's wait and see at this point. The only people still laughing are the ones that have to be right because their reputation as an analyst depends on it.

Allen went 35-59, 455 yards,  5 tds, 2 ints, and 230 yards rushing and 2 tds against Miami.  He owned them last year.  

 

He went 134 for 261 (51.7%),  1,619 yards (161.9 yards/ game),  5 tds, 10 ints, 401 rushing yards, and 6 tds against everybody else.  Need more Miami Josh against the rest of the nfl. 

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Unfortunately, that arm sometimes looks like it's permanently set to "annihilate." 

 

 

That's a good way of describing it. 

    People said the same thing about Elway when he first came into the league.

    Turn the JUGS machine on high, stand closer and start with your back turned. His balls are catchable.

    Reed, Moulds and Butler wouldn’t have whined about them?

[C.Biscuit97]

25 minutes ago, eball said:

 

You're only saying that because he's black.

I love cross racial comparisons and hate the lazy race comparisons (Dewayne Hawkins is a Mobile QB!).  

[Socal-805]

 

It's preseason.  

 

 

 

[Logic]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

Sorry, BR is not a credible source.   

 

We can't like it when it smiles at us any more than we can hate it blows us off...

Two things: First of all, Bleacher Report has changed quite a bit over the years. It now features quite a few nationally known, reputable reporters and analysts. It is not the amateur site it once was.

Second, as I stated in the original post, the article is written specifically by Mike Tanier. He is a well known football analyst on Twitter who has been one of the most vocal Allen haters out there. The fact that HE of all people wrote the article is significant.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Why is that unfortutnate?  Strange choice of word.

 

It's all about winning, and not in the pre-season, either.

 

 

Unfortunate that preconceived “opinions” blind some people.  

[BuffaloBill]

4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Has a nice ring to it--smells like victory to me! 

 

 

 

One of the most classic scenes and lines ever.

[ColoradoBills]

For my money I will repeat and repeat that Josh Allen has not had the proper coaching compared to the typical highly recruited HS QB.

Many acknowledge it but do not give this simple fact as much credit as it deserves.

 

Typical college QB analytics can be applied to JA but it will not be as relevant due to his handicap of knowledge.

I will even go as far as to say that his time in Wyoming playing on instincts and hero ball was a detriment to his development.

 

It now seems by all accounts he is getting proper training/coaching and is eating it up.  How he responds will be his ceiling.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

For my money I will repeat and repeat that Josh Allen has not had the proper coaching compared to the typical highly recruited HS QB.

Many acknowledge it but do not give this simple fact as much credit as it deserves.

 

Typical college QB analytics can be applied to JA but it will not be as relevant due to his handicap of knowledge.

I will even go as far as to say that his time in Wyoming playing on instincts and hero ball was a detriment to his development.

 

It now seems by all accounts he is getting proper training/coaching and is eating it up.  How he responds will be his ceiling.

 

..good call CB......who really cares about urinalists with a Bills ax to continually grind?....if Josh was not the pick, they'd beotch anyway, safely from under their desks.......ex-QB's who offer critical analyses with pluses and minuses like Simms, Dilfer, Professor Palmer of even newly hired Coach Dorsey, etc are of more value to me( skip talking about their NFL careers; immaterial IMO)......they're not panderers either just because they like the Allen kid IMO.......

[PlayoffsPlease]

With the right coaches, Josh Allen will end up in the hall of fame. 

[Bills Survivor]

7 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

 

Neither has anyone else in the East outside of the Pats. I like our chances this year. I dunno, maybe I'm hitting the ol' smelling salts a little too much? 

Why does that picture still make me laugh?

[TigerJ]

There are still plenty of Josh Allen doubters and haters out there - fans and media (Bill Barnwell cough cough).  It's going to take some solid proof to finally put them to rest.