Trent Murphy - What Am I Missing?

[skibum]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Bring on johnson

That’s what she said.

[LSHMEAB]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This. This. This. 

 

That's all. 

 

Edit: well not quite all..... Murphy thinks "the edge" is just a guitarist in U2. 

Murphy MAY be a process guy, but he certainly isn't out there playing McD's brand of "complimentary" football.

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

In the season he had 9 sacks for Washington, he didn't start one game. He was a pass rushing specialist for them, and at the end of the day he's going to remain a pass rushing specialist . However, this is a passing league, and a guy who can get to the passer regularly is more valuable than a low-twitch plodder whose best attribute is effectively setting the edge in the run game (i.e., Shaq up until now). 

I don't disagree with this, which is what gives him some value. My main gripe is that he does NOTHING for the pass rusher on the other side of the LOS. That matters. It's one thing to lose contain against the run, etc. That's not what he's here to do. It's another to run yourself entirely out of a play to the point where the opponent is essentially playing 11 on 10. If you watch film, which I know YOU do, you'll notice that he's often completely out of the picture after his initial move.

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Murphy MAY be a process guy, but he certainly isn't out there playing McD's brand of "complimentary" football.

McDermott knows the power of getting to the QB. The 2013 Panthers (12-4; 2nd in yards allowed, 2nd in points allowed; first in sacks) had a ridiculous 60 sacks, and those sacks were a large reason they were so dominant. They were just slightly above average in giving up rushing yards on a per attempt basis, but absolutely dominated in the pressure game (a ridiculous 9.6 percent sack rate on opposing qb dropbacks).

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2013.htm

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't disagree with this, which is what gives him some value. My main gripe is that he does NOTHING for the pass rusher on the other side of the LOS. That matters. It's one thing to lose contain against the run, etc. That's not what he's here to do. It's another to run yourself entirely out of a play to the point where the opponent is essentially playing 11 on 10. If you watch film, which I know YOU do, you'll notice that he's often completely out of the picture after his initial move.

Yup, and I'm not saying he's the second coming or anything like that. But he has shown that he can get to the qb at an above average rate, and that's a huge asset given the overall quality of the DB corps. That's the sort of thing that leads to turnovers. If Murphy plays well in the pass rush game, no one is going to want to face them given the overall talent level on the defense. 

[Trogdor]

3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Yes he dominates against guys that will be on the practice squad.?

Thats a good thing.  Lawson seems really motivated.

I don't think Lawson has ever been bad, but we had unrealistic expectations here. He wasn't a pass rusher in college and he isn't in the NFL. I'd be happy if he can take out the tackle, guard, and center like he did against Carolina.

[Trogdor]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

McDermott knows the power of getting to the QB. The 2013 Panthers (12-4; 2nd in yards allowed, 2nd in points allowed; first in sacks) had a ridiculous 60 sacks, and those sacks were a large reason they were so dominant. They were just slightly above average in giving up rushing yards on a per attempt basis, but absolutely dominated in the pressure game (a ridiculous 9.6 percent sack rate on opposing qb dropbacks).

Probably didn't hurt that Star was the worst one in the front 7. They were stacked.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Signed:  Nate Peterman's Mom.

But didn’t she send that to the Raiders fans? 

[Dablitzkrieg]

7 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Maybe he needs some more performance enhancing drugs to maintain his mediocrity 

I'd love to see you and your dad-bod out there getting your ass kicked

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

But didn’t she send that to the Raiders fans? 

 

No they don’t have a process

[LSHMEAB]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

McDermott knows the power of getting to the QB. The 2013 Panthers (12-4; 2nd in yards allowed, 2nd in points allowed; first in sacks) had a ridiculous 60 sacks, and those sacks were a large reason they were so dominant. They were just slightly above average in giving up rushing yards on a per attempt basis, but absolutely dominated in the pressure game (a ridiculous 9.6 percent sack rate on opposing qb dropbacks).

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2013.htm

Yup, and I'm not saying he's the second coming or anything like that. But he has shown that he can get to the qb at an above average rate, and that's a huge asset given the overall quality of the DB corps. That's the sort of thing that leads to turnovers. If Murphy plays well in the pass rush game, no one is going to want to face them given the overall talent level on the defense. 

Oh, I'm ALL about generating pressure, wreaking havoc, aggressive defense, and creating turnovers. That's the formula for defensive success in an era where it's unrealistic to expect to hold a quality offense to >24 PPG. My issue is that I don't know that Murphy is a good enough pass rusher to mitigate the liabilities. I haven't looked at the particulars; maybe his pressure rate is great in limited action and I just haven't seen it. I do trust the numbers. But I look at a guy like Aaron Schobel for instance; he was constantly berated for not setting the edge, but he made enough plays to mitigate that deficiency. Each player has a particular skill set and you want to see the good outweigh the bad(no blank). I'm just not sure that's the case with Murphy. It would be great if he could stay on the field so we could get a better sample size. Shaq is gonna be Shaq. He's not a gamechanger, but I suppose you'd have to consider him "solid." We're just gonna have to hope TM can avoid the injury bug and make some plays in obvious passing down/distance situations. My strong preference would have been to address this issue aggressively in the offseason, but if this is how they're gonna roll....we shall see.

[LB3]

Pumping him up as potential trade bait? Then keep Love and Johnson.

[GG]

15 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Oh, I'm ALL about generating pressure, wreaking havoc, aggressive defense, and creating turnovers. That's the formula for defensive success in an era where it's unrealistic to expect to hold a quality offense to >24 PPG. My issue is that I don't know that Murphy is a good enough pass rusher to mitigate the liabilities. I haven't looked at the particulars; maybe his pressure rate is great in limited action and I just haven't seen it. I do trust the numbers. But I look at a guy like Aaron Schobel for instance; he was constantly berated for not setting the edge, but he made enough plays to mitigate that deficiency. Each player has a particular skill set and you want to see the good outweigh the bad(no blank). I'm just not sure that's the case with Murphy. It would be great if he could stay on the field so we could get a better sample size. Shaq is gonna be Shaq. He's not a gamechanger, but I suppose you'd have to consider him "solid." We're just gonna have to hope TM can avoid the injury bug and make some plays in obvious passing down/distance situations. My strong preference would have been to address this issue aggressively in the offseason, but if this is how they're gonna roll....we shall see.

So he's the combination of the bad qualities of Schobel and Kelsay?

[plenzmd1]

15 hours ago, GG said:

I thought it was an odd coincidence that recently McD highlighted his play, followed by Leslie talking about him at length at today's press conference.  Then came the extended discussion between Murph & Tasker on their show.   All talked about how Trent is newly energized, doesn't have to worry about his past injuries and is truly contributing to the defense.

 

But all that talk isn't backed up by game film, where it's clear that Shaq is outperforming him.  Save for a nice spin move on a sack, Murphy has been as invisible as last year.  Wondering if the public pep talks are more for motivation or something else, because he's not showing it on the field.

I did not think he was invisible last year. Minnesota game you could see the old Murphy starting to emerge, he had a really strong Titans game, and was a real disrupter in the Houston game. Then in the one decision that really pissed me off from McD last year, he was still in with 5 minutes to go in that mauling the Bills took at Indy..and hurts his knee again. Misses 4 games ( i think)..and just starts to play again in the last couple of games. Clips below from a couple of those games, and when healhy he ws drawing a ton of doubles/chips..all good for the guys next to him or OLB on pressure from outside if him.

 

Hopefully he gets back to his DC form out of the gate this year.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/film-room-sacks-vs-houston-texans

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/every-bills-forced-turnover-week-3

[JoPoy88]

15 hours ago, GG said:

I thought it was an odd coincidence that recently McD highlighted his play, followed by Leslie talking about him at length at today's press conference.  Then came the extended discussion between Murph & Tasker on their show.   All talked about how Trent is newly energized, doesn't have to worry about his past injuries and is truly contributing to the defense.

 

But all that talk isn't backed up by game film, where it's clear that Shaq is outperforming him.  Save for a nice spin move on a sack, Murphy has been as invisible as last year.  Wondering if the public pep talks are more for motivation or something else, because he's not showing it on the field.

 

You're not missing anything - Murphy sucks and is completely unreliable. There are various agendas at work trying to convince people otherwise. Glad to see you aren't falling for it.

Edited August 21, 2019 by JoPoy88

[MR8]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

You're not missing anything - Murphy sucks and is completely unreliable. There are various agendas at work trying to convince people otherwise. Glad to see you aren't falling for it.

 

Interesting take, any support to back up your agenda? Or just cryptic statements? 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

When he’s on the feild he’s the second best end on the team. I think the rave reviews are coming from his availably. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

When he’s on the feild he’s the second best end on the team. I think the rave reviews are coming from his availably. 

By a lot. This fan base. Snap judgments are made and that’s just the end of it. Doesn’t matter that Trent is finally healthy and able to play to speed. Trent got his label and he is therefore terrible. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

By a lot. This fan base. Snap judgments are made and that’s just the end of it. Doesn’t matter that Trent is finally healthy and able to play to speed. Trent got his label and he is therefore terrible. 

 

Youve astutely pointed this out with other players too.

 

the list also includes:

Shady old and slow despite coaches insisting he’s the starter

zay  has no clue how to catch never will and is slow despite coaches insisting he’s the starting WR2. He should be cut in lieu of a cfl WR

Allen: for some he is inaccurate and is too fast to run therefore always will be

star: overpaid and underrepresented on the stat sheet, even though coaches insist he’s the startin 0 tech and linebackers credit him for doing a fine job

 

and in the other direction: 

foster: going to canton 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Youve astutely pointed this out with other players too.

 

the list also includes:

Shady old and slow despite coaches insisting he’s the starter

zay  has no clue how to catch never will and is slow despite coaches insisting he’s the starting WR2. He should be cut in lieu of a cfl WR

Allen: for some he is inaccurate and is too fast to run therefore always will be

star: overpaid and underrepresented on the stat sheet, even though coaches insist he’s the startin 0 tech and linebackers credit him for doing a fine job

 

and in the other direction: 

foster: going to canton 

There are some names there I hadn’t thought about, but you are absolutely right. I’ve thought this narrative bias for a while, but I’m just now starting to be able to articulate it. It’s gross and i just wish we as a fan base were better.