Rochesterfan Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 12 hours ago, GG said: No offense, but Cardale looked far more ready at this point of his career. Two things - 1) Yes - Cardale looked more ready, but he was actually drafted not an UDFA - so he should have been a bit farther along - he was a significantly better prospect. 2) As for Cardale Preseason performance - Games 1&2 he was only near 50% completions and threw an Int in both games with no TDs. He was not miles ahead of TJ. It was not like he looked like preseason Peterman. The point being he was big, inaccurate, and needed a lot of seasoning just like TJ and now 3 years in he is finally competing for a true back-up role. That is the same arc that TJ would need if he is ever going to be an NFL QB. He is not ready in year 1 and may not be ready in year 2 - just to raw at this point to play in the NFL.
eanyills Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, matter2003 said: If you need to have a 3rd string QB play it really doesnt matter, you will pretty much lose every game. Essentially, Matt Barkley was our fourth string QB last year. Peterman-Allen-Anderson-Barkley. If Allen/Barkley get hurt, they will poach a free agent QB who can be serviceable. If there’s a practice squad QB, they won’t see the field this year (or likely ever) anyway. Most of these guys are completely interchangeable. Edited August 20, 2019 by eanyills
foreboding Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 7:41 PM, Georgie said: So,why hasnt any team signed Dungey if he is as good as you say? Wasn't Barkley sitting at home when we got him? Seems crazy cause he can play. IMO Matt Barkley is Josh Rosen's ceiling.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 8:16 PM, 1st&ten said: I think the Bills will keep Jackson thru the preseason & maybe onto to the PS to begin with but if a better option for a young QB comes up they will make a change. I just don't see the point to a developmental QB when you have a 2nd year QB starting. Especially one who has shown nothing at all so far.
GG Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Two things - 1) Yes - Cardale looked more ready, but he was actually drafted not an UDFA - so he should have been a bit farther along - he was a significantly better prospect. 2) As for Cardale Preseason performance - Games 1&2 he was only near 50% completions and threw an Int in both games with no TDs. He was not miles ahead of TJ. It was not like he looked like preseason Peterman. The point being he was big, inaccurate, and needed a lot of seasoning just like TJ and now 3 years in he is finally competing for a true back-up role. That is the same arc that TJ would need if he is ever going to be an NFL QB. He is not ready in year 1 and may not be ready in year 2 - just to raw at this point to play in the NFL. Then there's really no comparison between them, other than they're both tall and can throw the ball far. Cardale actually looked better in camp than EJ, while you can't find many QBs who looked worse than Tyree last week. His only shiny moment came in his running play, giving more ammunition for a possibly TE conversion. If you need 3 years to see if he can develop into a viable backup, that's 3 wasted years.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, foreboding said: Wasn't Barkley sitting at home when we got him? Seems crazy cause he can play. IMO Matt Barkley is Josh Rosen's ceiling. He was an injury settlement, then once he could pass a physical he found a job here. We had like no options, and he signed and started in less than 2 weeks. He backed up peterman against the bears after signing like what 3 days before? 1
Ironsdad Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 10:00 PM, John from Riverside said: People are always obsessed with the back half of the roster for some reason...... If Josh goes down...the season is over.....Matt will win some games but we would not make the playoffs..... I bet the dolphin fans back in 72 said the same thing
ddaryl Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, dneveu said: I just don't see the point to a developmental QB when you have a 2nd year QB starting. Especially one who has shown nothing at all so far. Really ? Flabbergasted on this one. You always develop a QB. 1.) You have a strong need for practice reps, 2 QB's are not enough to run practice where QB 1 and 2 are working on a game plan QB 3 ( the PS QB) is acting the part of the opposing teams qb in situations amongst many other duties as well as growing and learning by doing. 2.) You never know how long any player let alone QB is going to be able to play the game. Having depth who is invested into the teams systems is beneficial even if they pick up a QB to play the games if something unfortunate did happen to Allen or Barkley. Tyree is now knowledgeable enough to help. Injuries happen, and sometimes, not often though, a newly acquired QB doesn't seem to work out. It rarely happens especially to the Bills but its been knows to happen [/sarcasm] 4.) Depth. You still hope your 3rd QB gets better and the investment pays off. If not you cut bait and find another and try try try again 5.) You will never sneak a promising QB onto the PS, its for development plyaers. It Tyree was showing strong signs of developing where would you stash him. Meaning if the Bilsl improved and brought in a much better 3rd string QB option that has people really excited how would you keep that player on the practice squad. Knowing the Bills probably don't want 3 active QB's on the roster you have to settle for a Tyree type of project
Rochesterfan Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, GG said: Then there's really no comparison between them, other than they're both tall and can throw the ball far. Cardale actually looked better in camp than EJ, while you can't find many QBs who looked worse than Tyree last week. His only shiny moment came in his running play, giving more ammunition for a possibly TE conversion. If you need 3 years to see if he can develop into a viable backup, that's 3 wasted years. Again I am not so sure. Cardale didn’t beat EJ out in the 2016 camp. It went TT as 1, EJ as 2, and Cardale as 3. All 3 had a chance to play in the regular season and both EJ and Cardale sucked enough that both were soon gone. The Bills then traded Cardale where he got 2 more years on the Chargers practice squad and is now going against TT for a back-up job. So Cardale is now 3 years in - was it wasted? If he beats out TT the Chargers may not think it was wasted. If he loses out and is cut - then it could be argued as it was wasted. Again I get that Cardale was more prepared than Tyree, but they seem to have a lot more in common than they do differences. Yes they are both tall and yes both can throw the ball far, but on top of that - both came out and struggled reading defenses, neither was accurate passing the ball with most games being at or below 50% completion rate and more Ints with no TDs. Both tend to force the ball into windows deep down field that has resulted in said Ints. Both could have used more time in college learning how to be a QB. Both have always been the athletes with the biggest arm and incredible athletic ability at every stop up until the NFL. I totally agree that Tyree looked abut as bad as you can look - so I can totally understand if the Bills move on, but I can also understand there is reason to believe if he is a hard worker and is picking things up - that a PS spot is not out of the question. What it really comes down to is does Daboll and McDermott see any improvement and do they want to give him a spot. It may also depend on injuries and what kind of makeup they want on the PS.
Mr. WEO Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 The longer this thread stretches, the greater is the genius of the OP...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Really ? Flabbergasted on this one. You always develop a QB. 1.) You have a strong need for practice reps, 2 QB's are not enough to run practice where QB 1 and 2 are working on a game plan QB 3 ( the PS QB) is acting the part of the opposing teams qb in situations amongst many other duties as well as growing and learning by doing. 2.) You never know how long any player let alone QB is going to be able to play the game. Having depth who is invested into the teams systems is beneficial even if they pick up a QB to play the games if something unfortunate did happen to Allen or Barkley. Tyree is now knowledgeable enough to help. Injuries happen, and sometimes, not often though, a newly acquired QB doesn't seem to work out. It rarely happens especially to the Bills but its been knows to happen [/sarcasm] 4.) Depth. You still hope your 3rd QB gets better and the investment pays off. If not you cut bait and find another and try try try again 5.) You will never sneak a promising QB onto the PS, its for development plyaers. It Tyree was showing strong signs of developing where would you stash him. Meaning if the Bilsl improved and brought in a much better 3rd string QB option that has people really excited how would you keep that player on the practice squad. Knowing the Bills probably don't want 3 active QB's on the roster you have to settle for a Tyree type of project Fine - get me a scout QB that's better than the 5th string Tight end from last year.
ddaryl Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, dneveu said: Fine - get me a scout QB that's better than the 5th string Tight end from last year. LOL.. it don't work that way...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: LOL.. it don't work that way... Just saying - this guy looks more logan thomas than anything else. There will be other scout QB options for the practice squad.
ddaryl Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, dneveu said: Just saying - this guy looks more logan thomas than anything else. There will be other scout QB options for the practice squad. There is a chance a better QB option that can be safely stashed on a PS squad may come available... But the fact does remain Tyree knows the system and the playbook which gives him a leg up in regards to replacing him on the PS I understand the frustration somewhat but swapping the guy out because you want a better PS QB that was cut from another team and not signed to their PS really would be an exercise in futility. Any QB that the BIlls might want to swap out Tyree for would have to be bad enough to not be signed to the PS of the team who waived sed QB. Most likely there is no upgrade to be found there... 1
SoTier Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/19/2019 at 8:30 AM, MAJBobby said: Are they running the right routes? Are they doing what their assignments are? Are they getting separation? That is how you evaluate them. I would even argue having Tyree throwing to them gives them the opportunity to show their catch Radius as well. On a side note. Tyree is the perfect PS QB to have why? Getting ready to play a Big Armed QB? You have a Big Armed QB on PS. Getting ready to play a Mobile QB? You have that on the PS. Getting ready to play a timing QB? You have that on you team as well with Barkley. He will. In LA with the Chargers as he plays TT off that roster. Don't be too sure of that. Lynn knows what he's getting in Taylor, which is a competent backup QB. Jones hasn't proven that he can play competently when the games count.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 20, 2019 Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/19/2019 at 8:30 AM, MAJBobby said: Are they running the right routes? Are they doing what their assignments are? Are they getting separation? That is how you evaluate them. I would even argue having Tyree throwing to them gives them the opportunity to show their catch Radius as well. On a side note. Tyree is the perfect PS QB to have why? Getting ready to play a Big Armed QB? You have a Big Armed QB on PS. Getting ready to play a Mobile QB? You have that on the PS. Getting ready to play a timing QB? You have that on you team as well with Barkley. He will. In LA with the Chargers as he plays TT off that roster. ...SERIOUSLY?.....cannon with rubber bullets and a spray field wider than the Grand Canyon.....he's about as accurate as LaCanfora......shoulda stayed in school.......and probably grad school....SMH.....
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