Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 White is a legit top 5 CB. Hyde and Poyer are both top 20 safeties, not elite but fringe ProBowl players. And the depth for legit CBs is 4 or 5 deep. Gaines coming off IR late in the season is like getting a Christmas present that was forgotten in the closet. Winfield/Clements was a great CB duo but the safeties were terrible - Milloy in decline and Coy Wire was awful. Odomes was very good but the rest of the secondary was average or below. Butch Byrd is greatest DB in Bills history. But I really don't know much else about the rest of the guys he played with. I thought the Bills AFL defense's were built around DL and LBs, but I may be wrong.
Nextmanup Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 I always thought Nate Odomes was terrifically over-rated. I agree the defensive backfield looks very strong now.
freddyjj Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: White is a legit top 5 CB. Hyde and Poyer are both top 20 safeties, not elite but fringe ProBowl players. And the depth for legit CBs is 4 or 5 deep. Gaines coming off IR late in the season is like getting a Christmas present that was forgotten in the closet. Winfield/Clements was a great CB duo but the safeties were terrible - Milloy in decline and Coy Wire was awful. Odomes was very good but the rest of the secondary was average or below. Butch Byrd is greatest DB in Bills history. But I really don't know much else about the rest of the guys he played with. I thought the Bills AFL defense's were built around DL and LBs, but I may be wrong. Some perspective. The 1965 Buffalo Bills entire starting 4 secondary - Booker Edgerson and Butch Byrd CBs and George Saimes and Hagood Clark made the Pro Bowl and Saimes and Byrd were First Team All Pro. None of the current Bills secondary have ever made the Pro Bowl or been All Pro. So the easy answer is they are not the best Bills secondary ever...not yet anyways. 7 1
NewEra Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, freddyjj said: Some perspective. The 1965 Buffalo Bills entire starting 4 secondary - Booker Edgerson and Butch Byrd CBs and George Saimes and Hagood Clark made the Pro Bowl and Saimes and Byrd were First Team All Pro. None of the current Bills secondary have ever made the Pro Bowl or been All Pro. So the easy answer is they are not the best Bills secondary ever...not yet anyways. Making the pro bowl doesn’t mean a dam thing. First team all pro is different. I never saw the 65 team play as I was born in 74 so I can’t compare the two. What I do know it, this secondary is elite level
Virgil Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 Winfield and Clements in the backfield together was pretty legit. 2 1
freddyjj Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, NewEra said: Making the pro bowl doesn’t mean a dam thing. First team all pro is different. I never saw the 65 team play as I was born in 74 so I can’t compare the two. What I do know it, this secondary is elite level Lol. Every guy in Bills secondary made it that year. Never happened with any other nfl team in same year since. So that 65 team was unreal. 2 1
Stank_Nasty Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Some perspective. The 1965 Buffalo Bills entire starting 4 secondary - Booker Edgerson and Butch Byrd CBs and George Saimes and Hagood Clark made the Pro Bowl and Saimes and Byrd were First Team All Pro. None of the current Bills secondary have ever made the Pro Bowl or been All Pro. So the easy answer is they are not the best Bills secondary ever...not yet anyways. Hyde was named 2nd team all pro and pro bowler in 17. 2
freddyjj Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: Hyde was named 2nd team all pro and pro bowler in 17. Thanks for correcting
Gugny Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: Making the pro bowl doesn’t mean a dam thing. First team all pro is different. Word.
Stank_Nasty Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, NewEra said: Making the pro bowl doesn’t mean a dam thing. First team all pro is different. I never saw the 65 team play as I was born in 74 so I can’t compare the two. What I do know it, this secondary is elite level I slightly disagree here. I think making it onto the initial roster holds merit. It’s the fact that nobody plays in it and 4th or 5th alternates are now going that waters it down.
The Jokeman Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: White is a legit top 5 CB. Hyde and Poyer are both top 20 safeties, not elite but fringe ProBowl players. And the depth for legit CBs is 4 or 5 deep. Gaines coming off IR late in the season is like getting a Christmas present that was forgotten in the closet. Winfield/Clements was a great CB duo but the safeties were terrible - Milloy in decline and Coy Wire was awful. Odomes was very good but the rest of the secondary was average or below. Butch Byrd is greatest DB in Bills history. But I really don't know much else about the rest of the guys he played with. I thought the Bills AFL defense's were built around DL and LBs, but I may be wrong. As a group yes, I'm not 100% sold on Levi as a starter but like our nickel and dime CBs yet I think scheme and coaching also plays a part as McDermott McDermott/Frasier know zone coverage.
NewEra Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Lol. Every guy in Bills secondary made it that year. Never happened with any other nfl team in same year since. So that 65 team was unreal. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1965_AFL/probowl.htm got me interested in this team. Is this link wrong? Looks like it says the Bills has 36 players make the pro bowl in 1965. Lol
freddyjj Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Lol. Every guy in Bills secondary made it that year. Never happened with any other nfl team in same year since. So that 65 team was unreal. 32 INTs and surrendered only 16 pts per game. Bills Defense allowed only 4 rushing TDs all year 4 starting DBs had 21 total INTs alone. Granted a different era but they were the best secondary I’ve ever seen play 2
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 18, 2019 Author Posted August 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Some perspective. The 1965 Buffalo Bills entire starting 4 secondary - Booker Edgerson and Butch Byrd CBs and George Saimes and Hagood Clark made the Pro Bowl and Saimes and Byrd were First Team All Pro. None of the current Bills secondary have ever made the Pro Bowl or been All Pro. So the easy answer is they are not the best Bills secondary ever...not yet anyways. Thanks for the info. I've honesty never heard of Saimes. I will look him up.
NewEra Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I slightly disagree here. I think making it onto the initial roster holds merit. It’s the fact that nobody plays in it and 4th or 5th alternates are now going that waters it down. For sure. That’s what the stat should be imo. Times voted in NOT as an alternate and even than, it can be tricky. Ruben Brown was named to the initially team more than a few times where he didn’t deserve it. He was named based on his past play imo Edited August 18, 2019 by NewEra
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Gaines coming off IR late in the season is like getting a Christmas present that was forgotten in the closet. A present that is broken in the box, in the closet. Gone.
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 18, 2019 Author Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1965_AFL/probowl.htm got me interested in this team. Is this link wrong? Looks like it says the Bills has 36 players make the pro bowl in 1965. Lol Wow, there are like 75 names on there. Makes the argument all 4 made the ProBowl a bit watered down.
Don Otreply Posted August 18, 2019 Posted August 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Some perspective. The 1965 Buffalo Bills entire starting 4 secondary - Booker Edgerson and Butch Byrd CBs and George Saimes and Hagood Clark made the Pro Bowl and Saimes and Byrd were First Team All Pro. None of the current Bills secondary have ever made the Pro Bowl or been All Pro. So the easy answer is they are not the best Bills secondary ever...not yet anyways. Well, there you have it then. ? Go Bills!!!
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