Receiver competition with two games left

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, mrags said:

He had a vet day off. He’s been more than fine with Allen all summer. 

If we keep Dimarco over Wade, Gore, McClpud, McKenzie, Williams, Yarborough, and a half a dozen others... I will vomit 

I’d take dimarco over Ray Ray every day of the week.  Ray Ray has done absolutely zippo minus a couple mcdermott comments 

[MAJBobby]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d take dimarco over Ray Ray every day of the week.  Ray Ray has done absolutely zippo minus a couple mcdermott comments 

 

Devils Advocate is what has DiMarco ever done besides be talked up about ST?

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Devils Advocate is what has DiMarco ever done besides be talked up about ST?

Well first of all, he plays all four special teams units. A player that plays all four special teams units is more valuable than a back-end receiver who doesn't really contribute on special teams. So even if special teams were ALL that Dimarco did, he would be worth keeping over a non-ST contributing depth receiver.

But it's NOT all he does. He plays about 20-30% of the offensive snaps. Daboll's offensive playbook is extremely similar to New England's. It features a fullback. In the NFL, your offensive system either features a fullback or it doesn't. Daboll's does. You could employ a back-end-of-the-roster TE as a fullback, but he probably wouldn't be any good at it.

Unless and until the Bills change offensive coordinators and offensive playbooks, you can count on them continuing to employ and use a traditional fullback.

[FlaFitz1]

1 hour ago, Best Player Available said:

Jones is not a go to player. When Allen does go to him.He drops it.

Except late in garbage time against the pats***. 

 

Jones was targeted 102 times last season and had 2 drops

Foster was targeted 44 times and had 2 drops

Beasley was targeted 87 times by Dallas last year and had 2 drops

Brown was targeted 97 times in Baltimore and dropped 6

McKenzie saw 30 targets with 1 drop

Roberts targeted 18 times dropped 1

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

Jones was targeted 102 times last season and had 2 drops

Foster was targeted 44 times and had 2 drops

Beasley was targeted 87 times by Dallas last year and had 2 drops

Brown was targeted 97 times in Baltimore and dropped 6

McKenzie saw 30 targets with 1 drop

Roberts targeted 18 times dropped 1

 

I don't believe that is correct. Jones had more drops than just 2. Where in the world did you get that?

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Yeldon is toast.

 

I sure hope they keep Wade on the 53. I think there is a reasonably good chance (50/50) Gore is cut or McCoy is traded or possibly cut. 

 

Where exactly has John Brown been? I believe he has two targets and 1 catch in two pre-season games with a goose egg in the last game. I'm sure his spot is safe, but he has seen very little action. I didn't think it was possible at first but I just don't see the value in keeping Zay Jones. He's being consistently outplayed or at least matched by guys drafted much lower than him. If he were not a high draft pick it wouldn't even be a debate about whether he would be cut or not. Maybe they try work a trade for him as it is likely another team could see value in him still and think they can get more out of him. Maybe Washington or the New York Giants? Send Washington Zay and a 2nd rounder for Trent Williams?

I don’t think that Yeldon is out of it.  He is a proven NFL performer and I thought that he ran well this week against the Panthers.  He is a good receiver out of the backfield as well.  I’m not saying that he is a lock to make it, but I don’t think he is out of the competition yet.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

With Tyree Jackson on the field it is impossible to judge any WR playing in the 2nd half,something needs to change here

Can the Bills claim a hardship exception and force him back to UB?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said:

I disagree. I understand this is not a popular thought, but I believe DiMarco is in at fullback. Short yardage situations and getting seven in the red zone are critical. Shady's two yard TD run against Carolina was not an exciting highlight, because it looked so routine. Shady got to the end zone (I believe) untouched. If you look at when he crossed, you'll see DiMarco sealing the right side of the hole, taking out a linebacker. That's the difference between 7 and 3. Not sexy, just winning football.

 

He plays special teams as well. Core teams players have more value than 6th wide receivers who don't play... 

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Does he have an injury or veteran rest day?

 

I'm just curious about Brown. Not having access to the practices, I haven't really seen him contribute and don't know what kind of connection him and Allen will have.

Here you go with a couple of examples. It'll be alright

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/camp-highlight-josh-allen-to-john-brown-touchdown

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/camp-highlight-allen-to-brown

 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Does he have an injury or veteran rest day?

 

I'm just curious about Brown. Not having access to the practices, I haven't really seen him contribute and don't know what kind of connection him and Allen will have.

 

His spot is safe, all reports from practice are that he has looked very strong

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Is Foster truly a lock? 

[ddaryl]

4 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Is Foster truly a lock? 

 

 

I don't think so. He needs to start showing some thing. If Duke Williams shows something in preseason 3 I'd be worried if I was Foster

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Brown Jones Beasley Roberts seem to be locks.

Foster gets more time with 1s than anyone else so it really comes down to McKenzie vs Williams. And Williams probably ends up on the PS if I had to guess. He could conceivably sign elsewhere too but that's my guess. 

[FlaFitz1]

32 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

I don't believe that is correct. Jones had more drops than just 2. Where in the world did you get that?

 

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=30150

 

[billykay]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I'm not really sure why the Bills would want to trade away their leader in touchdown receptions from last year for a late round pick. Seems like bad business.

To make room for another worthy WR on the roster.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

McKenzie has popped so much during the games, not only in the preseason but also in the regular season last year. At this point it would seem rather foolish to let him go. He's a very dangerous weapon on offense AND special teams.

 

You have a primary X, a primary Y, and a primary slot, and you have backups for all three. Some teams will keep a 7th receiver as a specialist. This is what I would do if I were the Bills...

 

X: Brown, Foster
Y: Jones, Williams
Slot: Beasley, McKenzie

Specialist: Roberts

I actually think this is a position on the roster where the Bills need to keep an extra player. It is not unheard of to keep 7, especially when you have such a great specialist in Roberts and you have so many unique skill sets that you don't want to lose.

 

You might even see McCloud and Phillips on the practice squad, too!

 

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, billykay said:

To make room for another worthy WR on the roster.

What makes any of the other receivers that he would be cut in favor of -- none of whom have ever caught a regular season touchdown -- worthy of booting him off the roster? The fact that they impressed in camp or a preseason game?

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

25 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=30150

 

 

 

It’s not just about drops. It’s about the fact that when Allen targets Zay a negative play is the result far too much. Search receivers on Pro Football Reference with 100+ targets and sort by catch percentage. He comes up ranked 25th out of 28 WR’s and has a much lower YPC and YPT average than 90% of the receivers on the list. 

 

At the very least he needs to be targeted far less than he was last year unless him and Allen start to connect on the same page more often.

 

And of course we saw the same problems when Tyrod was QB too. And last year Foster managed to have a much higher ypc and catch percentage than Zay. The common denominator in Zay’s lack of production seems to be Zay himself thus far.

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=2018&year_max=2018&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos[]=wr&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2019&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&conference=any&draft_pos[]=qb&draft_pos[]=rb&draft_pos[]=wr&draft_pos[]=te&draft_pos[]=e&draft_pos[]=t&draft_pos[]=g&draft_pos[]=c&draft_pos[]=ol&draft_pos[]=dt&draft_pos[]=de&draft_pos[]=dl&draft_pos[]=ilb&draft_pos[]=olb&draft_pos[]=lb&draft_pos[]=cb&draft_pos[]=s&draft_pos[]=db&draft_pos[]=k&draft_pos[]=p&c1stat=targets&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=pass_sacked&c2comp=gt&c5val=1.0&order_by=catch_pct

 

Edited August 18, 2019 by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, djp14150 said:

I look st it and say the team has 

 

2 qb

9 OL

13 WR/TE/RB

1 Returner 

 

on D

8 DL

6 LB

1 OLB/DE

10 DB

 

3 ST..k, p, ls

 

for recrivers

 

4 RB 

5 WR

3 TE

1 returner (WR)

1 best player left

 

i don’t see the bed to keep a FB. Use a TE in this role.

1 bext left

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you are real close to what the team will look like position wise to start the season especially if Kroft starts out on PUP.

Roberts showing worth as a WR pretty much takes away any fantasy of 7 WR on the team.

DiMarco is a key unknown.

 

The only other wrench in the works is if McDermott doesn't go with a 25 balance on O and D.

I think there is a chance he goes 26-O and 24-D (it was that way for some time last year) especially if key STers are on O.

 

Lots of posters are saying a lot of the Bills cuts will get snatched up by other teams.

History shows that is usually not the case.

A couple surely may but I think more than a few good players will make it onto the PS.

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Is Foster truly a lock? 

Tough to say, but I don't see the coaching staff giving up on him.

 

He had a horrible preseason last year too. Then later on he put it together and was playing very good in the second half of the season.

 

He might not be a lock, but I think he will make the final 53.

Edited August 18, 2019 by Mark Vader