Bills TC Day 14 (8/13) - joint practice with Panthers in Spartanburg, SC

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[MAGA-Man]

4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

you didn't see how he responded to ramsey last season?

 

 

the kids got fire!

 

Hmm, I guess I don't remember.  I recall before that game that he was just saying stuff like, "I don't know him, sometimes people say things, I just try to improve each and every day".

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, MAGA-Man said:

Hmm, I guess I don't remember.  I recall before that game that he was just saying stuff like, "I don't know him, sometimes people say things, I just try to improve each and every day".

I look more for how he responded on the field then behind a mic.

 

 

 

how many accounts are you going to make?

Edited August 13, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I look more for how he responded on the field then behind a mic.

 

 

 

how many accounts are you going to make?

Yeah he flexed on him in the game. Allen talks a lot of trash on the field. He’s an extreme competitor. He says all the right things to the media though. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

41 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

From games to practice, to Preseason to offseason, the covering of Allen as a whole is confirmation biased reporting.  To some Allen's career and lineal in terms of development.  No matter what, he is inaccurate.  With the addition of Beasley and Singletary his % is going to increase.  Having guys who can get open under 10 yards was and is something Allen has never had before.  The major take aways from the practice are Allen's and Beasley's continued chemistry and Allen's interaction with Kuechly.  He is the best and most instinctual LBs in the NFL.  Him giving Allen the time, and Allen having the foresight to get his ear is a good sign.  

 

The other thing that people may under value is OK assume his completion percent is lower than most.  But if the completions go for say 4 yard more per pass, that adds up to more 1st downs

[MAGA-Man]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Yeah he flexed on him in the game. Allen talks a lot of trash on the field. He’s an extreme competitor. He says all the right things to the media though. 

 

Huh, didn't realize he was a trash talker.  He seems too "farm boy" nice for that.

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, MAGA-Man said:

 

Huh, didn't realize he was a trash talker.  He seems too "farm boy" nice for that.

Yup. It all comes out on the field (not a bad thing). The first time I remember it was the Packers game (which we lost 22-0) but they mentioned it after the game. And you could see him jawing. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/totalpackers.com/2018/10/jaire-alexander-was-taking-no-*****-from-josh-allen/amp/

Edited August 13, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yup. It all comes out on the field (not a bad thing). The first time I remember it was the Packers game (which we lost 22-0) but they mentioned it after the game. And you could see him jawing. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/totalpackers.com/2018/10/jaire-alexander-was-taking-no-*****-from-josh-allen/amp/

but he's too farm boy nice to be talking ***** like that.

 

 

he got schooled that day but it was/is all part of the growing pains in the nfl. he is a fierce competitor and I am looking forward to year 2 of his journey.

 

[Warcodered]

9 hours ago, CNY315 said:

 

Was this a thing because this was all I've heard about it.

[KCNC]

2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Some random observations from attending my first ever TC:

 

--Not sure how Wofford's facilities/feel stacks up to St.JF for the fans, but I was duly impressed with the overall "niceness." The only negative I have to gripe about is that finding/locating the correct access points, parking to the field and TC grounds, left much to be desired--signage was poor and workers while nice and exhibiting Southern charm, were not great at giving further directions, jmo. I teamed up with another solo traveling Bills fan who was in a similar boat, and eventually we made our way to a lot that had Shuttle access, and that ended up being the best solution--so I got to the grounds about 15 min. after practices had already started.

 

--By virtue of being sheep following the crowd in front of us in order to find where we needed to go (signage people!), my new travel companion and I wound up queuing in a line at the very state of the art fieldhouse by the shuttle drop off, and wouldn't you know it, there was a Bills photog taking everyone's picture with Billy Buffalo, and welcoming us to camp--very nice. Next to Billy Buffalo, was a Bills alumnus signing autographs...I'm ashamed to admit neither of us could figure out who it was at first, and neither could a fan behind us who'd just flown in from Seattle (he said for business, and it just worked out for him to come to camp also)--then I caught sight of the glossy printouts he was signing of himself for the fans, and it was none other than Nate Clements--another nice touch brought to you by One Buffalo! I thanked him for his Bills service after collecting my freebie signed swag, and off we went to the field level.    

 

--Bills fans were "segregated" to a viewing area at the left side end zones of the two practice fields, while the Panthers fans were treated to better sideline viewing--however, this may have inadvertently backfired on the organizers, as it became painfully obvious that Bills fans outnumbered the locals, and wide swaths of green viewing lawn were visible in the Panthers section. Great job at getting out there, southern Bills Mafia (As well as a not insignificant number of NYers, from convo snippets I overheard along the way). It was incredibly gratifying to see all of the Bills fans out in such force away from home, and I think it even caught the Bills FO off guard some? More on that later. In terms of the viewing, it was hit or miss for those of us without media or VIP passes--simply a function of being in the end zone areas 5-6 fan lines deep from the fencing, and inexplicably having a large cart of some kind parked directly behind the near field goal post, taking away all middle views of the action, if you weren't catty corner enough where you stood. We moved around enough to make it work to see here and there.    

 

--Yes it was brutally hot, but the BIlls fans got the better end of this bargain, because all of the shade-casting trees outside of the VIP tents, were located at the backs of the Bills fans standing/sitting in the endzone areas, while the Panthers fans baked in the open sun, from what I could see. In truth, I can't give you guys as solid of a rundown of the action on the field today, as I was processing just being at camp and all that that entails--I enjoyed soaking up the experience and talked with a lot of Bills fans around me, so my attention wasn't always where it needed to be, or my view was compromised, but I still thoroughly enjoyed it all. 

 

--The first units I saw in action was the Bills starting D going against Cam Newton on the near field going towards the EZ, so the Bills section was the best one here--by my unofficial count, Newton was 1/3 on these redzone passing drills against our secondary, but that was the only time I saw Cam all day, as I migrated fairly quickly to the far side field where the Bills O was operating. Josh completed about half of the passes I saw him throw, but I counted at least 2 drops, one by Sweeney and one by Smoky, that should've been caught, imho. Josh also ran a few designed run plays that I was glad to see--Dabs may not want to bottle him up in the pocket after all?

 

--The "reception" line greeters for the Bills today were Smoky Brown (he didn't walk the whole fence line, but he did make himself available near the VIP tent fencing area), Josh Allen, House $$ and Reid Ferguson. Coach McD walked the whole line, high-fiving all who stretched their hands out far enough (I gave a weak sauce effort and was thus not rewarded, as I was trying to film on my phone at the same time) and he apologized for not stopping to sign autographs, he didn't have time and couldn't make exceptions. Next Coach Dabs darted here and there like a triggerfish deciding whether or not to dive into the crevasse of the coral reef, and decided to take the high road instead, quite literally--he walked back away from the fan fence as quickly as he'd come, but he did smile and wave a bit like the Queen, so there's that. Allen to his credit, ran the entire gauntlet of the fan fence, and literally signed for every single kid there under the age of 10, but I saw that he wouldn't sign for any adults, no exceptions. I do respect that--he had limited time, and there were a ton of fans there, but he still made the most of it by making sure that each kid there got to interact with him, take selfies, etc. When Josh was right by where I was standing, I blurted out that my daughter was born on the same day as his Leap heard round the world over Barr, and that got me a verbal acknowledgment, but still no dice as to the Allen jersey I was holding out to be signed. Oh well, I guess next time I will have to make sure to bring my kiddos along as Allen autograph insurance!! 

 

Besides getting to share the aforementioned details of my baby's birth story with Josh Allen, lol, the highlight of my day was Brandon Beane. Guys, this GM is the real deal, no other way to say it. First, by this time it was already 30-45 minutes or so after practice had wrapped up, and the man stood there and signed for everyone, young and old, without appearing to be in any kind of a hurry, and was cheerful to one and all. He ended up signing my Allen jersey (it's a double XL and I've lost a few lbs this year, so can't wear it anymore anyway) and also posed for a selfie. I thanked him for organizing the Bills coming down south for these sessions, as it gave those of us living near enough a chance to see the Bills up close too. He responded by being appreciative for all of the fan support there locally and said they were glad it worked out the way it did. He got a laugh when one of the fans yelled out, "Thanks for drafting Ed," to which he replied, "Just thankful he was still there when we got him." I also heard several fans saying thanks for bringing hope back to Buffalo, which seemed to leave an impression on him also. Class act, all around.      

 

A great day for this Bills fan!!!

 

**I'm working on getting my pics and some vids together in a way I can post without violating the size limits...that will follow.    

 

 

Wow, thanks for all the info.  I will be there tomorrow (2hr45 min drive).  Looking forward to it!

[K-9]

58 minutes ago, MAGA-Man said:

 

Things will get real for McDermott and Bean (rather quickly)  if the addition of Beasley and Brown do not change Allen's completion percentage, so hope his convo with Kuechly was highly insightful.

Where does Allen’s completion percentage need to be for it to be considered “changed?” And why that number, specifically?

48 minutes ago, eball said:

And Josh is one heluva smart guy who not only wants to win but to shove it in every naysayer’s face. I love it. He’s the perfect QB for this team. 

I agree. Allen plays a kind of football I refer to as “F You” football that I find appealing. 

[MAGA-Man]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Where does Allen’s completion percentage need to be for it to be considered “changed?” And why that number, specifically?

 

I guess wherever it needs to be for 10-11 wins.  I suspect, Dabol will want to throw the ball more this season, and according to what we are hearing, a lot more high percentage passes to the new WR's.  I suspect to have a 10-11 win season and a good TD:INT ratio, I would guess low 60% is what it would take.  Long balls are great, but you can't feast consistently on them.

[Kelly the Dog]

32 minutes ago, MAGA-Man said:

 

I guess wherever it needs to be for 10-11 wins.  I suspect, Dabol will want to throw the ball more this season, and according to what we are hearing, a lot more high percentage passes to the new WR's.  I suspect to have a 10-11 win season and a good TD:INT ratio, I would guess low 60% is what it would take.  Long balls are great, but you can't feast consistently on them.

So if he throws two more screen passes for maybe three yards, and completes one dump off on third and nine for four yards you’ll be thrilled? That would easily push him above 60%

Edited August 13, 2019 by Kelly the Dog

[MAGA-Man]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

So if he throws two more screen passes and completes one dump off on third and nine for four yards you’ll be thrilled? That would easily push him above 60%

 

It's not just the %, it's also the number of pass attempts. they need to at least double.  This is a passing league and the Bills don't seem to want to play that way.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, MAGA-Man said:

 

It's not just the %, it's also the number of pass attempts. they need to at least double.  This is a passing league and the Bills don't seem to want to play that way.

 

Well seeing how they got some new blood at WR it seems to me that they might be trying that. Guess we will see how they want to play come regular season.

[Buffalo Boy]

    Went to Easely SC immediately after practice for a karate workout with a good friend so I’m late with these observations:

     Pros:

      -  The O-Line looks good. Feleciano snaps looked consistent in the shotgun. The center of the pocket held. Long did not snap as well with some high and one low one.

          It seems as if they are really focusing on driving the DEs up field and having JA step up. 

      - Singletary looks good. He sticks out. He’s quick and patient at the same time. We have a diamond in the rough at a minimum.

      - Barkley is the best backup we’ve had since..... Flutie. He ran the offense better than JA. He’s knows where he’s going, he’s decisive and he threw some longer balls that were perfect passes and dropped.

      - Beasley is just a pro. Having his consistent presence on shorter routes is going to be huge for JA.

 

   Before I do cons I want to state that it’s hard to get a read on D because both teams were being careful out there with each other.

   There was one big hit by a Bill which I heard but didn’t see because I was looking through the binoculars at the far field. Other than that, there some easy takedowns and a couple of decent form tackle pops but the Defense was muted.

       Cons: JAs accuracy. He throws high consistently. It’s not that he didn’t make good throws. He hit some slants and crossing patterns perfectly. He dropped a nice 30+ yarder in the corner of the EZ that was spot on but got broken up .   But, overthrew a wide open somebody( again, forgive the lack of player names but through binoculars, on a crowned far field with players on the sidelines between, it was rough) on a blown assignment by a solid five yards.  

       As stated in a post earlier, throwing simple five yard outs his accuracy was sketchy. Watching Barkley and Cam made it even more noticeable.

     -  While not necessarily a con, JA doesn’t process as quickly as Barkley. I say it might not be a con because training camp is the time to work on mechanics as well going through his progressions. He seems comfortable holding the ball a little longer than makes me comfortable. He does have pocket presence and moved in the pocket a few times to buy time. That being said, the D was playing with kid gloves and we will see how that looks Friday. I didn’t see him get legit sacked.

    - Our receivers dropped too many ball for my liking. Easely dropped a Barkley TD in the EZ and there were some others that needed to be caught.

    - Jackson is a nice story. He doesn't look like an NFL QB . 

    - Cam seemed to consistently put the ball wherever he wanted against our DBs. I was impressed by his passes considering all I’ve heard about his bum shoulder. It looked fine to me to the detriment of our D.

     They did get a pick on him on a ball tipped at the line( I jumped up and screamed to the displeasure of a hill full of Panther fans.)

      Also, one of our interior D lineman drove a double team back into their back up QB Allen and knocked him down. I made an ass of myself on that one too?

    In terms of which team looked better, I hate to say it but the Panthers O looked markedly better than ours did when JA was in there. It’s one practice so I’m not making anything of it but that is what I saw.

 

     Also, they actually ran a read option keeper with Allen which I was surprised to see in camp. Especially against another D and he ran right into the arms of waiting LBs who were nice to him. I don’t want to see him running that play often ?

  

[MAGA-Man]

4 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

Well seeing how they got some new blood at WR it seems to me that they might be trying that. Guess we will see how they want to play come regular season.

 

That will be interesting.  McDermott just does not strike me as a pass happy kind of coach, so I am concerned. Will he let Daboll just do what he wants?

Edited August 14, 2019 by MAGA-Man

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

If he really broke down concepts with Allen I might go out and buy a Kuechly jersey just because. That really going out his way to help the young QB

Maybe he wants to retire a Bill.

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Where does Allen’s completion percentage need to be for it to be considered “changed?” And why that number, specifically?

I agree. Allen plays a kind of football I refer to as “F You” football that I find appealing. 

Ws matter more than completion percentage.  Completion percentage can help get Ws though.

[formerlyofCtown]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    Went to Easely SC immediately after practice for a karate workout with a good friend so I’m late with these observations:

     Pros:

      -  The O-Line looks good. Feleciano snaps looked consistent in the shotgun. The center of the pocket held. Long did not snap as well with some high and one low one.

          It seems as if they are really focusing on driving the DEs up field and having JA step up. 

      - Singletary looks good. He sticks out. He’s quick and patient at the same time. We have a diamond in the rough at a minimum.

      - Barkley is the best backup we’ve had since..... Flutie. He ran the offense better than JA. He’s knows where he’s going, he’s decisive and he threw some longer balls that were perfect passes and dropped.

      - Beasley is just a pro. Having his consistent presence on shorter routes is going to be huge for JA.

 

   Before I do cons I want to state that it’s hard to get a read on D because both teams were being careful out there with each other.

   There was one big hit by a Bill which I heard but didn’t see because I was looking through the binoculars at the far field. Other than that, there some easy takedowns and a couple of decent form tackle pops but the Defense was muted.

       Cons: JAs accuracy. He throws high consistently. It’s not that he didn’t make good throws. He hit some slants and crossing patterns perfectly. He dropped a nice 30+ yarder in the corner of the EZ that was spot on but got broken up .   But, overthrew a wide open somebody( again, forgive the lack of player names but through binoculars, on a crowned far field with players on the sidelines between, it was rough) on a blown assignment by a solid five yards.  

       As stated in a post earlier, throwing simple five yard outs his accuracy was sketchy. Watching Barkley and Cam made it even more noticeable.

     -  While not necessarily a con, JA doesn’t process as quickly as Barkley. I say it might not be a con because training camp is the time to work on mechanics as well going through his progressions. He seems comfortable holding the ball a little longer than makes me comfortable. He does have pocket presence and moved in the pocket a few times to buy time. That being said, the D was playing with kid gloves and we will see how that looks Friday. I didn’t see him get legit sacked.

    - Our receivers dropped too many ball for my liking. Easely dropped a Barkley TD in the EZ and there were some others that needed to be caught.

    - Jackson is a nice story. He doesn't look like an NFL QB . 

    - Cam seemed to consistently put the ball wherever he wanted against our DBs. I was impressed by his passes considering all I’ve heard about his bum shoulder. It looked fine to me to the detriment of our D.

     They did get a pick on him on a ball tipped at the line( I jumped up and screamed to the displeasure of a hill full of Panther fans.)

      Also, one of our interior D lineman drove a double team back into their back up QB Allen and knocked him down. I made an ass of myself on that one too?

    In terms of which team looked better, I hate to say it but the Panthers O looked markedly better than ours did when JA was in there. It’s one practice so I’m not making anything of it but that is what I saw.

 

     Also, they actually ran a read option keeper with Allen which I was surprised to see in camp. Especially against another D and he ran right into the arms of waiting LBs who were nice to him. I don’t want to see him running that play often ?

  

That hit was one of our DBs lighting up one of their WRs.  Didnt see who it was.