Clowney Trending for some reason.

[DJB]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. But carry on. 

 

Just playing devils advocate. Lol

 

I like Clowney but i don't love him. I've seen plenty of Houston games. He benefits far more from Watt than vice versa. 

 

Depending on the cost though im all for it

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Seriously?  I replied to the exact comment in the post....your post.  You are really interpreting this as changing the subject?

I never alluded to anything that the point was not to win a Super Bowl.  I simply commented if we do win one, they will be a reason because this is a team game.

Where are you getting lost?

 

 

Before that you started talking about “Lorax” (your nickname use I don’t call him that) when I was only saying Nsekhe is good value for clowney by pointing out his age and relative obscurity. 

 

You don't realize it is changing the subject but it is because your example of “Lorax” doesn’t change the main point that clowney will be here if and when they win a Super Bowl while Nsekhe and “Lorax” will be retired. 

Edited August 14, 2019 by Chemical

[Rocket94]

Clowney is still only 26, and even though he is not terribly older than than Oliver and Edmunds, he brings a wealth of experience and elite talent to share. The Bills probably envision 4-5 more productive years from Clowney and he is at or near his prime. I say go for it because the Bills have the cap space and guys like Clowney do not come around too often. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Rocket94

[MR8]

2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

Clowney is still only 26, and even though he is not terribly older than than Oliver and Edmunds, he brings a wealth of experience and talent to share. The Bills probably envision 4-5 more productive years from Clowney. He is at or nearing his prime, picture him as an accelerated draft pick...

 

Hard Pass on Clowney...

 

1) We don't know the exact cost
2) Clowney is great, but he's NEVER had double digit sacks in his career
3) We need to also hand him the largest chunk of our Salary Cap AFTER paying big bucks to get him.

If we weren't kicking the tires on Mack, who WAS A generational talent, we absolutely should stay away from Clowney who has shown to be VERY good, but had 2 years of no production of note, and then a few years of good production... Who knows which version of Clowney you'll get once he gets paid.

 

Also, just a little tidbit for people who want to give up our starting OT and picks and whatever else and then some and then give $20M Plus to Clowney....

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Before that you started talking about “Lorax” (your nickname use I don’t call him that) when I was only saying Nsekhe is good value for clowney by pointing out his age and relative obscurity. 

 

You don't realize it is changing the subject but it is because your example of “Lorax” doesn’t change the main point that clowney will be here if and when they win a Super Bowl while Nsekhe and “Lorax” will he retired. 

 

Its called a comparison.  It doesn’t mean I changed the subject.   Your ability to decipher  is amazingly low.  

 

Talk about moving goal posts...

 

And thanks for letting me know you don’t call him Lorax.

[ndirish1978]

36 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Yes....but they actually covered themselves with the Ford pick because he can play RT and we brought in several guards.....

 

Not against that either

 

The swing tackles right now are McDermott and a UDRFA that we had to trade for. We're not trading away our starting RT for an edge rusher when the whole season depends on Josh's progression.

[DJB]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1161736443032690690

 

. His culture fit doesn’t seem right and his extension figures - likely around 5 years and $110 million - are a big burden.

 

In case people were wondering how much $ Clowney wants. Also the culture talk is referencing the Eagles

Edited August 14, 2019 by DJB

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, MR8 said:

 

Hard Pass on Clowney...

 

1) We don't know the exact cost
2) Clowney is great, but he's NEVER had double digit sacks in his career
3) We need to also hand him the largest chunk of our Salary Cap AFTER paying big bucks to get him.

If we weren't kicking the tires on Mack, who WAS A generational talent, we absolutely should stay away from Clowney who has shown to be VERY good, but had 2 years of no production of note, and then a few years of good production... Who knows which version of Clowney you'll get once he gets paid.

 

Also, just a little tidbit for people who want to give up our starting OT and picks and whatever else and then some and then give $20M Plus to Clowney....

 

 

 

 

Clowney is elite. The numbers very clearly show it. The only reason he doesn't have more sacks is he isn't asked to rush the passer as often. When he does his ratio of getting pressure, hits and sacks is elite. 

[MR8]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Clowney is elite. The numbers very clearly show it. The only reason he doesn't have more sacks is he isn't asked to rush the passer as often. When he does his ratio of getting pressure, hits and sacks is elite. 

 

If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER?  Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple.  

 

He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

54 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

 

 

Likely have a deal on terms with the agent and clowney is willing to sign in the off-season - they can also tag him so the bills have some protection 

Bulldog (I can’t believe I’m saying this) had a decent point - he said the deal can be structured so that the Bills don’t give up much if he doesn’t sign, but if he does it’s a 1st rounder or something. Not sure Texans bite on that but it protects the Bills and they currently have no GM so are kind of ripe to be “Beaned”

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MR8 said:

 

If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER?  Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple.  

 

He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him.

 

 

 

Because he is so versatile, does so many things well and is on a team that has other pass rush threats so they do not only ask Clowney to rush. He rushes the passer less often than any other big name edge guy in football. 

 

You simply HAVE to dive below the bare sack numbers. 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, MR8 said:

 

If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER?  Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple.  

 

He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him.

 

 

  Coaches will look at players in terms of how a player will perform in their system and not be overly influenced by previous production.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, MR8 said:

 

If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER?  Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple.  

 

He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him.

 

 

 

To play devils advocate but if this is the criteria...then wouldn’t Ed Oliver then not be an elite prospect?

[Rochesterfan]

49 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

 you think the Bills aren't negotiating a longer term deal before they make this trade. Guarantee the Bills are IF they do this

 

 

The Bills can’t negotiate a long term deal.  As a franchise tagged player after July 15th he has to play on he franchise tag.  No teams can negotiate until after the last game of the season.

 

He also has not signed his tender - so currently he can not be traded and rumor has it he has already blocked a trade to Miami.

 

We will see where this goes.

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

You simply HAVE to dive below the bare sack 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

/thread.  This ain’t happening.

[JXCOL3]

Any move this organization has made recently has been done super quiet. This feels like the Le'veon deal, where this is simply just driving up the price.

[Alphadawg7]

I’m stunned that no reporter asked anyone WHY they had Ty not take any snaps today.  Could have ended a lot of speculation.  Unreal no one asked.

[Rocket94]

8 hours ago, MR8 said:

 

Hard Pass on Clowney...

 

1) We don't know the exact cost
2) Clowney is great, but he's NEVER had double digit sacks in his career
3) We need to also hand him the largest chunk of our Salary Cap AFTER paying big bucks to get him.

If we weren't kicking the tires on Mack, who WAS A generational talent, we absolutely should stay away from Clowney who has shown to be VERY good, but had 2 years of no production of note, and then a few years of good production... Who knows which version of Clowney you'll get once he gets paid.

 

Also, just a little tidbit for people who want to give up our starting OT and picks and whatever else and then some and then give $20M Plus to Clowney....

 

 

 

Of course I am basing this on the best case scenario possible. Injuries aside, and yes they hard to ignore, I am trying to focus on the positives and what a healthy Clowney represents to the Bills. If the Bills are interested in Clowney they have surely measured the risks. He is an elite player in a position of need, and players like him are hard to find. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Rocket94

[John from Riverside]

When it comes to player evaluation I really trust Gunner

 

Gunner...you think we would be ok if its Ty N.?   That would be Ford at RT and maybe a OG that wasnt going to make the team possibly makes it?