Nervous Guy Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 I live in CT but work in RI so I have today off!!! Rhode Island is the only state left that celebrates this holiday. I think it's kind of weird holiday to hang onto, I suspect it's just a "beach day" the state did not want to get rid of, but I'm not complaining. https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/victory-day
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Should still be a holiday. Lotta men lost their lives to Japanese aggression, and defeating them was an accomplishment to remember. 3
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Should still be a holiday. Lotta men lost their lives to Japanese aggression, and defeating them was an accomplishment to remember. Over 200,000 Japanese people (mostly civilians) also died.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Over 200,000 Japanese people (mostly civilians) also died. As a consequence of their fascist government's aggression and foolishness.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 As the line goes in the numerous war movies ... “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant" No matter what the US would have been drawn into the conflict one way or another.
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: As a consequence of their fascist government's aggression and foolishness. So you're saying we're next? 1 1
Nervous Guy Posted August 12, 2019 Author Posted August 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Should still be a holiday. Lotta men lost their lives to Japanese aggression, and defeating them was an accomplishment to remember. Agreed, but the strange thing is RI is the only state to do it....and let's face it most people don't actually "celebrate" holidays such as these in the manner they were intended to. And that's shame on us. 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: So you're saying we're next? No. I'm not. What I'm saying is you probably shouldn't romanticize a genocidal, emperor-worshipping military dictatorship as innocent victims.
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Should still be a holiday. Lotta men lost their lives to Japanese aggression, and defeating them was an accomplishment to remember. Just so you're clear, I don't condemn the US for using the bombs. Different times. I do agree that these dates were significant. We "celebrate" D-Day, but not officially. If anything, May 8th should be the day we recognize as a nation, in my opinion.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Just so you're clear, I don't condemn the US for using the bombs. Different times. I do agree that these dates were significant. We "celebrate" D-Day, but not officially. If anything, May 8th should be the day we recognize as a nation, in my opinion. Gotcha. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine, like the Memorial Day thing. People always thank me for my service on Memorial Day, and I feel obliged to remind them that Memorial Day is for those that died, and they can thank me if they have to on Veteran's Day. 1
BuffaloBill Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Gotcha. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine, like the Memorial Day thing. People always thank me for my service on Memorial Day, and I feel obliged to remind them that Memorial Day is for those that died, and they can thank me if they have to on Veteran's Day. Well you are kinda zombie’ ish so maybe they are confused by this. However, on a serious note, your clarification is really important. I now think of my deceased father-in-law who saw front line combat in Korea. He did not lose his life there but he certainly lost part of his being. He was a very stoic man who clearly was impacted by what he saw and did while there. However, he went to his grave refusing to allow anyone to think that it was an issue in his life. We who have freedom should never fail to celebrate those who are now, have before and certainly those who died while in service to this country. 3
Nextmanup Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 48 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No. I'm not. What I'm saying is you probably shouldn't romanticize a genocidal, emperor-worshipping military dictatorship as innocent victims. Japan had around 71 million people in WWII. And I guess you speak for all of them, huh? Try not to view the world so simplistically and in such black and white terms. It's the hallmark of an uncultivated mind.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Japan had around 71 million people in WWII. And I guess you speak for all of them, huh? Try not to view the world so simplistically and in such black and white terms. It's the hallmark of an uncultivated mind. Amusing. Why don't you share the fruits of your cultivated mind as to how we should have responded to Japan from 1941-1945.
LeGOATski Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Celebrating the end of WWII doesn't seem that weird to me. But I grew up in RI, so... ? 1
WhoTom Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 My Dad served on a destroyer escort (a smaller, cheaper, more agile version of a destroyer) during WWII. They accompanied supply ships from the US to Europe. He told me that he was never engaged directly in battle, but after he died, Mom showed me his journal. In it, he described a day when his ship was docked in London while the harbor was being bombed. When the war in Europe ended, his ship was ordered back to port (NYC) for refurbishing before being redeployed to the Pacific. While on shore leave, he hopped a train, went back to his hometown, and married his high-school sweetheart. They high-tailed it back to NYC for a brief honeymoon before he shipped out again. Just before reaching the Panama Canal, Japan surrendered - VJ Day! A few weeks later, the ship returned to NYC and Dad was honorably discharged. 1
DC Tom Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Gugny said: Over 200,000 Japanese people (mostly civilians) also died. More like 2-3 million. And about 2/3 military deaths. 1
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: More like 2-3 million. And about 2/3 military deaths. You are the WWII expert, so I certainly won't challenge your numbers. I checked multiple places and came up with ~200,000/mostly civilians, though.
DC Tom Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: You are the WWII expert, so I certainly won't challenge your numbers. I checked multiple places and came up with ~200,000/mostly civilians, though. Wow. Those places suck. People forget that Japan fought in China, too. But In the Solomons and New Guinea alone, the Japanese had more than 200,000 military deaths. And the current casualty counts for Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined are greater than 200,000. So yeah...wherever you got that number, they're grievously incorrect. Let me know what the URLs are, so I can tell them they're idiots.
Gugny Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Wow. Those places suck. People forget that Japan fought in China, too. But In the Solomons and New Guinea alone, the Japanese had more than 200,000 military deaths. And the current casualty counts for Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined are greater than 200,000. So yeah...wherever you got that number, they're grievously incorrect. Let me know what the URLs are, so I can tell them they're idiots. http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a6652262.shtml
DC Tom Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, Gugny said: http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a6652262.shtml Those are specific to the atomic bombings, not the entire war. They're not idiots, you are. 2
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