Magox Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:13 PM, Mr. WEO said: How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history? Expand Sometimes I think you just argue to argue. He was viewed as the best guard prospect coming into college in over a decade. Became first team All-pro his rookie year. For someone to take a guess that he will be a generational talent based off that is not a stretch and certainly not worth arguing about. 4 2
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:13 PM, Mr. WEO said: How much football do you have to watch to determine a rookie O lineman (a Guard, no less) on a team outside of your division is better than all others in the NFL at his position AND better than nearly every player who has ever played that position in the games history? Expand It might help if you familiarize yourself with the term "generational talent." Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "best ever." 3
WhoTom Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 12:28 PM, zonabb said: This guy in unlistenable. Holy hell. Guys like this is what drove me away from TV commentating. Can anyone who covers the NFL speak like a professional, use a player's actual name (how many times can you try to be cool and hip as a dorky suburban white guy and say Big Q?), stop screaming and yelling, avoid hyperbole, and have an actual informed conversation instead of a slang-ridden, hip-hop rap take? These idiots could take some lessons from anyone cover the English Premier League, who are technically superior to any of the jokers covering the NFL. Expand Speaking of avoiding hyperbole... 1 6 1
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:20 PM, Doc said: It might help if you familiarize yourself with the term "generational talent." Here's a hint: it doesn't mean "best ever." Expand It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”.
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:23 PM, Mr. WEO said: It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”. Expand How long do you think is a "generation"? 3 3
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:23 PM, Mr. WEO said: It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”. Expand What about other generational talents that were better? 2
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:19 PM, Magox said: Sometimes I think you just argue to argue. He was viewed as the best guard prospect coming into college in over a decade. Became first team All-pro his rookie year. For someone to take a guess that he will be a generational talent based off that is not a stretch and certainly not worth arguing about. Expand I think it’s common sense to conclude that one season doesn’t make one a generational player. Draft pick? Sure. What if he whiffs this year (relatively) this year? Is Suh a generational talent? Another All Pro Rookie. On 8/10/2019 at 1:28 PM, Doc said: How long do you think is a "generation"? Expand I think it’s what it is typically defined as...about 25 years
JohnC Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:23 PM, Mr. WEO said: It means once in a generation talent. That would make such a player “better than every other player who has ever played” that position. Pretty simple definition of “generational”. Expand Peyton and Brady are generational talents. Both of them played in the same generation with Brady extending the time frame. As usual you are making a picayune point for the sake of supporting your quarrelsome position. 1
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:31 PM, Mr. WEO said: I think it’s what it is typically defined as...about 25 years Expand Pretty much. So he's they type of talent comes along once in every 25 years. Doesn't mean he is or will be the best ever. But what he is right now is arguably the best OG in the game and Oliver was giving him all he could handle.
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:52 PM, Doc said: Pretty much. So he's they type of talent comes along once in every 25 years. Doesn't mean he is or will be the best ever. But what he is right now is arguably the best OG in the game and Oliver was giving him all he could handle. Expand He had a great rookie year and Oliver handled him for a few preseason snaps. I’m on board with all that. 1 1
chris heff Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 The point is that Nelson, a starting guard in the NFL got pushed around by Oliver, a rookie playing in his first NFL game. No hyperbole needed. 4
Mr. WEO Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:35 PM, JohnC said: Peyton and Brady are generational talents. Both of them played in the same generation with Brady extending the time frame. As usual you are making a picayune point for the sake of supporting your quarrelsome position. Expand No I’m just helping you understand the term generational talent, which certainly allows for 2 at the same time...but not many others, you know, by definition. And at what point in his career did you label Brady a generational talent? After how many SB wins? Lol
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 Quinton Nelson won that match up with Oliver. Its all good. Nelson is an all-pro guard and that was Oliver's first game in the league. Even still, Oliver did some good things--handling the double team, almost getting a sack, etc. I reallllly look forward to seeing what Oliver does to guards not named Nelson.
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 12:35 PM, Not at the table Karlos said: “Look at big Q finishing Ed Oliver” Oliver sheds the block and makes the tackle with star Expand Yeah finished him right into the ball carrier for 1 yard gain 1
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 1:28 PM, Doc said: How long do you think is a "generation"? Expand At worst you should be in the conversation for best ever if you are the best of a generation. Generation is thought of as about 15-20 years typically. Think, baby boomers, generation X, millenials, generation Z etc. Really in our more modern society it should be thought of as about 25-35 years with couples often waiting to their late 20's start families now.
Doc Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 2:22 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: At worst you should be in the conversation for best ever if you are the best of a generation. Generation is thought of as about 15-20 years typically. Think, baby boomers, generation X, millenials, generation Z etc. Really in our more modern society it should be thought of as about 25-35 years with couples often waiting to their late 20's start families now. Expand In the conversation sure, but not necessarily the best ever. And I've always thought it was 20-30 years.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 2:29 PM, Doc said: In the conversation sure, but not necessarily the best ever. And I've always thought it was 20-30 years. Expand Yeah closer to 30 makes more sense in today's world. Most people are not having kids at 18-20 years old. But if you look at the commonly defined spreads of for Gen X,Y,Z etc. they are usually up to 20 years but not longer. 1
DCbillsfan Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/10/2019 at 12:35 PM, Not at the table Karlos said: “Look at big Q finishing Ed Oliver” Oliver sheds the block and makes the tackle with star Expand Yes. This made me laugh. Oliver is in on the tackle but Q finishes Oliver. What a joke.
Virgil Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 I'm sorry, but besides drawing the double team, what did he do?
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